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Im try to become best version of me .. how can u solve this problem and make me batter

help ~2026-34302-52 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is the help desk for Wikipedia. It's where you can ask questions about editing Wikipedia, not general questions about life. Good luck, though.

(As for becoming batter, the article Batter (cooking) might be useful to you. /j)

^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 05:41, 10 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Are we sure they're not referring to the character from OFF? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 06:07, 10 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

or perhaps they keep committing Battery (crime) Ilikememes128 (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Huh! Taking the piss out of a newb for their speeling mistakes - you should all be ashamed. This is why WP genuinely stinks. @~2026-34302-52: - Dude, only you can make yourself better. Concentrate on the very best parts of your inner self, and improve them. If you can do things, learn to do them better. Be prepared to amaze people with your skills. Very best of luck, MinorProphet (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

sandbox work being edited by others

I created a file in what I thought was my sandbox (User:Mihal.emberton/sandbox/Belief-Behavior Systems archetype) but when I saved my edits, I received messages that I was "vandalizing" wikipedia... please help me understand how to get my work into the sandbox if it is not really in the sandbox as the system says.... ~2026-33436-16 (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping: Malgosha

Courtesy ping: Hamimh2

^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 20:41, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's because you are currently logged out of your account, so to an outside observer it might look like somebody random is editing the page. Logging in again or mentioning on your user page that this temporary account (~2026-33436-16) is also you. GarethBaloney (talk) 20:42, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

They think it's vandalism because you're logged out currently. Malgosha (talk) 20:44, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. I did not realize this and have logged in :-). With humble gratitude... Mihal.emberton (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you are user:Mihal.emberton, you have been editing the sandbox while signed out. Possibly this is why you were reverted, though I wouldn't call it vandalism. I'd have to suggest however that if you are trying to create an article on the subject discussed there, you are almost certainly wasting your time. Wikipedia articles are based on what independent reliable sources have to directly say about a subject, and without such sources, covering the subject in depth, an article will not meet the required notability criteria. Wikipedia is not a platform for promoting ideas you yourself have come up with, and doing so constitutes a conflict of interest. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @AndyTheGrump for your very kind and ethical guidance. Mihal.emberton (talk) 22:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Mihal.emberton A minor point, but Wikipedia articles do not contain copyright (or trademark) symbols. David10244 (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

makes sense! thank you kindly..... Mihal.emberton (talk) 17:28, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Editorial removed

Why is my editing on the page named "List of players who have scored 2,000 or more runs in Women's Twenty20 International cricket" being removed? Soumyabnrj02 (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give a diff of a specific edit of yours that has been reverted? Asking because it's hard to suss out anything from just looking at the article history because no human editor has provided an edit summary at that article for the past three years so it's very difficult to figure out what any specific edit may have added or removed without looking at each and every diff one by one. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I had sorted the table with runs in descending order ~2026-35629-39 (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Soumyabnrj02, there's no need to sort the table by editing, since you can use the arrows on the top of the table columns to sort by different statistics. It is normal to keep it sorted by date. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 20:21, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Colors in Template do not show up in Dark Mode

I applied a setting that allowed me to switch between light and dark mode while logged in, which I was not able to do before changing this setting. Now, the green and yellow colors that were in {{Oregon Health & Science University}} in Dark Mode no longer show up. Do you know how to switch this back? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:43, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Dark mode automatically adjusts colours so that you don't get flash-banged by some unusually brightly coloured element on the page. In some cases this means that colours used by some templates are suppressed, probably because there's no suitable 'dark' equivalent. I'm not sure what determines which colours are kept, which are adjusted, and which are suppressed. It's possible to use CSS classes to suppress dark mode inversion in a template, but this is usually a bad idea (particularly as other users may not want dark mode suppressed for templates). There's no easy setting to suppress the inversion just for yourself. Maybe someone skilled with CSS could come up with a line your could add to Special:MyPage/common.css which accomplish what you, but I don't know for certain that something like that is possible. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 00:15, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback. I had it where the green and yellow did show up, and was hoping to get that back. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, the navbox you linked is in Category:Potentially illegible navboxes so its colours need to be changed anyway for accessibility issues, regardless of dark mode. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 00:17, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no! --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, the yellow on green has a contrast ratio of 1.9 and the standard blue link on green has a contrast ratio of 3.47, both of which fail WCAG AA. V, T, E, and hide are 1.04 which is practically invisible (a ratio of 1 means the foreground and background are the same color, so 1.04 is nearly that). - Purplewowies (talk) 08:36, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I actually just went and stripped the styling entirely for now--all of the WCAG fails were bad but the 1.04 felt like it needed to be dealt with now even if a sufficiently contrasting color scheme might be possible. - Purplewowies (talk) 08:40, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Purplewowies:, do you know by what date colors might be reinstated in that navbox? --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:27, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677: Whenever someone puts some back in? I took them out for accessibility concerns and do not personally have any intention of adding them back, but it's not like I'm against color in that navbox (I have no opinion on that navbox's color other than "it should probably be accessible). I just don't know enough about the university or the navbox to know what good (and accessible) color combos would be here. I just thought that it was important that the navbox be readable until such a point someone could figure out something more accessible, even if making it readable meant stripping the custom styling. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Purplewowies:, I have revised the color scheme for the navbox, please let me know what you think. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like this time the contrast is a bit better in at least some of the cases (Firefox is not reporting too-low contrast on the accessibility tab of developer tools), though the sidebar cells (the green ones) are reporting contrast of 2.97 (fails WCAG AA). Funnily enough, if the text color on those were just... black, the contrast would be fine (7.07 which is WCAG AAA compliant), but I get the feeling black on green would get people who are thinking more about whether the color combo is aesthetically pleasing than whether or not it's higher contrast thinking it looks bad, even though it's more accessible. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:13, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Purplewowies:, I decided to try black on green, and it looks OK to me. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Helping people who want a Wiki article in another language

Hello: I edit voluntarily, but also am a COI editor (the disclosure which you can find on my user page). I have recently been approached by someone who lives in the US but has media coverage in Dutch dating back to the 1990s. I suggested they inquire about a page on the Netherlands Wikipedia site. Similarly, I just spoke to someone in China in the same situation. Is there a way to connect these people with the Netherlands/Dutch, and Chinese wikipedia community, respectively? I appreciate any feedback and advice for them. Thank you, LeepKendall (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@LeepKendall: In the left sidebar on this page (might be skin dependent?) you can find links to the Help Desk for other langauge Wikipedias. For example for the Netherlands https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Helpdesk and for China https://zh.wikipedia.org/ (main page) RudolfRed (talk) 22:34, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) hi, for a start I would say that if a random person wanted an article about themself in English Wikipedia, there is a list they could add their name to, but it is hardly used. They could come here and ask for help and they would be given some basic information and advised that they could write an article themself, but that is difficult for a new editor and not necessarily a good idea. (You may well be able to give that advice yourself.)

People on this Helpdesk generally don't advise about other Wikipedias as they have different rules and we are generally not familiar with them. However many Wikipedias will have a Help desk linked to this one via Wikidata item Project:Help desk (Q4026300). Also they are likely to have a notability policy linked to notability policy for a Wikimedia content project (Q4657574). Your contact could post at the Dutch or Chinese Help desk, but I don't have experience of using them (that I can remember). They might get similar advice to what I wrote above.

It might be easier to write the article on English Wikipedia, subject to notability rules, as en Wikipedia accepts foreign language sources. TSventon (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I appreciate your time and assistance. LeepKendall (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki translation and CC license

I noticed that the Uzbek Wikipedia article Ovoz yozuviga boʻlgan mualliflik huquqi is a translation of an English Wikipedia article that I wrote, Sound recording copyright, but the original English article is not credited anywhere. The Uzbek page was created on 27 May 2026, so it is currently within the 30-day window during which a license violation can be cured. I don't speak Uzbek and haven't contributed to Uzbek Wikipedia at all.

How can I address this issue? I've drafted a message in English to post on the user's talk page (but haven't posted it yet), aiming to politely educate them about the CC license's attribution requirements. But should I also get an admin on Uzbek Wikipedia involved (especially if the user has submitted a lot of translations in this manner)? Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 16:09, 16 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:RIA. The only thing which really needs to be done is to supply the appropriate attribution. You might see if there's an Uzbek editor at the WP:EMBASSY who can help with that, or just use google translate to put the attribution in the edit history of the uzbek article yourself. Athanelar (talk) 17:13, 16 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Done after somehow figuring out where the link to the enwiki article should go in the summary. CheeseAndJamSamdwich (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting issues on other wikis

After seeing Yet Another person reporting something on another site that the English Wikipedia has no control over, I decided to create a help page we can point people to. Please take a look and expand it if you can. I hop[e that it will save us all time and effort answering the same questions over and over.

Help:Reporting issues on other wikis

--Guy Macon (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea! SomeoneDreaming (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably mention WP:EMB for non-English Wikimedia projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

soft hyphen

I wrote an article many years ago and inserted over ten soft hyphens. For instance, here is one used in a picture caption so the spacing would fit with different devices: soft hyphen|tour|na|ment. [I purposely removed the L & R brace around that.] Should I go back and remove all the soft hyphens because they can cause glitches with some software? Isn't there also an alternative form, which is putting & shy; [I purposely put a space in there] at the spot of the line break. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@JimPercy We have the template {{shy}}. Does that help? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks, I'm clear on all this now. JimPercy (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Hi, I'm returning to Wiki after a long time. I started an article but I think on my userpage. Now I can't find it. Can anyone help? Case Against (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is your new article? VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 18:54, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Case Against. You don't have any contributions other than this post and the post at your talk page. Did you edit whilst logged out? Did you press Publish page? Publish page is akin to "Save" in Microsoft Word. Wikipedia doesn't have an auto-save feature. If you didn't click Public page then I am afraid your work is lost and can not be recovered. qcne (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I suspected the same. Back to the drawing board. I didn't press publish page because I hadn't finished. Do you recommend starting in the sandbox? Case Against (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Case Against Darn, I am sorry. That is frustrating but it is pretty common. We recommend keeping an off-Wiki backup. You can start in your personal sandbox, or as a sub-page under your Userpage, or as a draft via WP:Articles for Creation. qcne (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is nothing worse than running with the ball without saving. Second time lucky. Many thanks. Case Against (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Completed an article in my sandbox. HOw do I move it to be approved? Case Against (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I moved your draft to Draft:Norma Procter and submitted it for review for you. Right now, the backlog is pretty long, so it may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,616 pending submissions waiting for review. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 02:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That is very kind of you @SomeoneDreaming I really appreciate your help. Case Against (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also how to I jump in to helping with reviews? Randomly I saw one today that I thought was really good and relevant. Shall I post it here so someone with more experience can take a look or what is the process so I can do so? Case Against (talk) 14:37, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You can apply to become a Articles for Creation reviewer once you meet the criteria. We're always on the lookout for new reviewers so do check in once you meet the criteria to see if you can be accepted probationary! qcne (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Qcnethat makes sense. If I see a draft article that looks okay to me can I mention it in a thread? Anything to do with performance, Wales and Latin America are my thing so sometimes I have an eye for what is authentic. Case Against (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if something like Asociación de Artes Escénicas del Valle de Chubut exists. :) (though I'm not sure if you meant the performing-arts kind of performance or the fast-cars kind of performance) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:43, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. What do you think? Case Against (talk) 01:56, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be a convenient all-in-one combination of "performance, Wales, Latin America". That's all. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 02:07, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Case Against Since you have been away for a while, do you know how to verify references, and are you familiar with all of the notability guidelines at WP:N? If so, great, but it takes a while to learn. I have a moderate number of edits, but I don't feel comfortable reviewing articles. David10244 (talk) 05:54, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @David10244 - it is all a learning curve. I've just added more references so let's see. Case Against (talk) 18:33, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Away for awhile

Could someone deal with the mentorship questions on my talk? Jay Cubby 16:37, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@JayCubby: have you looked at Wikipedia:Mentorship#How do I pause my mentorship activity?? TSventon (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@JayCubby I've answered the ones which were outstanding. Athanelar (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Jay Cubby 17:00, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Volleyball editors

I am having issues with volleyball editors who are constantly reverting my edits and anytime I respond with fair and justified facts, they just ignore me and I can't take it anymore. They are being unfair and running the volleyball section like a cult. I have tried to communicate fairly but it is getting nowhere. I need help because I feel so helpless and it has made my mental health worse. I have never been so neglected and when they rarely respond, be put down. Now, one editor want to delete my articles that I edited for days by myself with no help.

Also, I am not the only person who is having issues with the volleyball people as @SerdarBar is also having problems as they just ignored him too when he kindly just asked about a specific table. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also, my was put up for deletion despite the person who did the nomination saying my work was commendable. That doesn't make any sense to me. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Since this is affecting your mental health, I think you should quit looking at volleyball articles for several months. A problem like the one you described - people acting in a cult-ish way - is likely to be very slow to get fixed, and you should not continue damaging your health to "be a hero" by being the one who fixes Wikipedia. Such a problem should be fixed, but not fixed by someone who will continue to get hurt by the process. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 02:04, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am grateful for your nice reply. But I just want to clarify this is not the first time I have dealt with these people as a similar situation happened three years ago. I swear he nominated my articles for deletion to punish me in some way as he was fine with the articles for two weeks. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 09:48, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In a case involving mental health, "I've dealt with these people in the past" unfortunately just proves me right. They are going to strongly resist changing. Stop. For your own health, fully quit viewing volleyball articles for a long period of time. I see that the problem is worth fixing, but it is NOT worth fixing by you. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:17, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

But who will fix it then? They can't keep going on like this. What can be done to tell them how they are acting is wrong? There has to be someone who can discipline them, otherwise cultist behavior would be prevelant in every part of Wikipedia. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:29, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Who will fix it then?" - the only answer that matters is "Not you". Wikipedia is not worth your health, ever. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:31, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"It's wrong for my mental health but I'm sticking with it because I so badly want to win" is a mentally unhealthy plan. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:29, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I understand but I can't just give up on the volleyball pages because I have pages that need to be edited and they damn well will not help me. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you caring about my mental health but letting it go would be wrong and I am not going to let them bully me. When I started the conversation, I reached my limit mentally, but now I am a bit better and I want to find out ways to settle things. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 20:03, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As user @ILoveSport2006 has already written, I have been experiencing a problem because my edits, which comply with Wikipedia's guidelines, are being removed without any explanation. I left a message on the talk page and also contacted user JonasKan directly on his talk page, but I have not received any explanation whatsoever. SerdarBar (talk) 15:52, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Suggestion

I am seeing a lot of edits tagged "Tags: Visual edit Edit Suggestion seen Edit Suggestion used", but I was not able to find any page about any sort of automated edit suggestion tool. What are the criteria for use? Obviously someone wanted a human in the loop, otherwise it would just be a bot that makes the edits. Where is the guidance telling the human when to accept and whne to reject the suggestion? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Collapse misunderstanding

Thank you. I did need a human to help, as there are several ways that I found someone could submit. This was the first part of a second question I wanted to ask, however now am uncomfortable doing so after an earlier response.

I asked that other human to answer my question rather than posting it here and risking being called out for being a beginner, and this was the page that was recommended for beginners to ask questions in that we couldn't find a clear answer for through the pages. I appreciate you stepping in to provide that constructive feedback to that individual. I think for now, I will simply not use a public forum again to ask a question.

I don't know how to close off my original question. If someone can advise me on how to do that, that will be my last public question.

Thank you. BuzzGnat (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon is asking about something that appears to be unrelated to anything you've done. They're asking about edits that show in history and contribution pages with a special tag that none of your edits have. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have never had any interaction with this user and did not know they existed before reading the above comment. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think suggested edits might be referring to either mw:Wikimedia Apps/Suggested edits or mw:Help:Growth/Tools/Suggested edits? - Purplewowies (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the ones I am seeing came from mw:Wikimedia Apps/Suggested edits. Which raises the question: what program is suggesting the edits? Is there a way I can see the suggestions for an article without using (Spit!) visual editor? (See [1].)

mw:Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_tasks#Recommending_tasks talks about it some without actually providing any details, and doesn't answer the obvious question: If these suggestions are are good, why hasn't a bot been created to implement them? If they might not be good, why is the WMF encouraging newcomers to act as meatpuppets for whatever software is making the suggestions? --Guy Macon (talk) 22:04, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Because the WMF prioritises quantity of contributors (and thus potential donors) over quality of content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's from "Suggestion mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. See mw:Help:Suggestion mode. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:41, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Is Claire Sterling an official editor?

I received an E-mail from Claire /Sterling offering to assist me create a Wikipedia page for a $650 fee. ~2026-35603-03 (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @~2026-35603-03. No reputable editor will offer to edit for a fee. That is a scam. See WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

True, O golpe ta aí, cai quem quer VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 22:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Every offer to edit Wikipedia for money is a scam, unless it comes from someone you already know and trust in person. Even then, you should wonder "Why are they offering to edit Wikipedia? Is my already-trusted friend scamming me?" TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 07:08, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If the proposed page is an article on a notable topic then please name it; someone may create the page free of charge. If not, then there is no procedure for buying an article: Wikipedia does not carry advertising. If the page would be an autobiography then this is strongly discouraged: if you are a notable person then it is better to wait for an uninvolved editor to write a neutral article about you. "Official editor" isn't a recognised rank or status here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which everyone can edit, including you. Certes (talk) 08:27, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Please forward the email as WP:REPORTPAID instructs. 331dot (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Reasoning behind the habit of using templates instead of Wikilinks

Hello,

I'm pondering this question since years for now. Why does the English Wikipedia make such heavy use of templates for quite easy formatting tasks? What is the advantage of {{reflist}} versus a plain listing? Or {{sclass}}, which output actually really often conflicts with MOS:SEAOFBLUE?
Such "inline-templates" are a pain in the bum when endeavouring to translate such texts as they hide conventional Wiki markup article links; and I have the strong feeling that the usability for any editor wanting to work of the source code is lacking when using such templates which do not appear as intuitively as conventional markup (example: {{reflist}} versus <references />), furthermore, typing the {{ ... }}, the double curly brackets, is seemingly not as straightforward as the tag symbols < > and slashes. Such a "template-mania" is also visible on FR-WP and Commons, making it in my opinion quite difficult to begin engaging with the project for newcomers. My home Wiki, DE-WP, doesn't have as much templates AFAIK, especially not this "inline" kind, instead mostly infoboxes and navboxes.
Are there people who could explain this to me? Is there any relevant historical background? Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Reflist automatically finds every reference in the article and compiles them into a list. Similarly, sclass automatically puts the given information into the right format. Both of them have the advantage of making "the machinery" take care of things that people often make mistakes on, forget to do, or don't care about. Maybe German Wikipedia has too few forgetful/careless editors. I could probably find you some, if you'd like more of them. :) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:00, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is indeed a historical background, but it isn't pretty.

HTML was invented, and it was good. It got better and better until HTML 4.01 (then the evildoers turned it to shit with HTLM5, but that's another topic.)

Meanwhile, multiple online websites decided that HTML was too hard and introduced "simpler" replacements, all different and all incompatible with each other. So suddenly you needed one language to edit Wikipedia, another to edit Reddit, etc.

Then users started demanding more features -- features that were already in HTML 4.01. The various "simple" languages got bigger and more bloated.

The experienced users got used to the languages and resisted any change. And a huge amount of content was created using each unique language -- far too much to rewrite.

In came the programmers. Programmers hate writing simple things that any beginner can understand. WE (yes, I am one of them) are all about subroutines, functions, include files, libraries, and macros. And all of those do make things easier and less error prone for the experienced user, at the expense of the newbies having to learn more.

Then of course the business interests got involved. The wanted the page to gather data on users, stop them from doing some things, force them to watch other things, etc. Fortunately. Wikipedia didn't adopt their "improvements".

Mix it all together and you get what we have now. And it is too late to change. You might as well try to get rid of QWERTY and the Scroll Lock key, or try to start calling the end of the battery with more electrons the plus end. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Two common reasons to use templates for seemingly simple tasks is to make them clearer/easier for other editors or to enable more advanced features that might not always be wanted. For example, something that's hard to type might have a more ASCII-like template. Or something that requires multiple tags or tags that are one character off of other ones might have a template to make it easier to avoid typos. The {{reflist}} example is where the simplest idea actually has back-end magic (example: flexable multi-column) and also seemlessly supports those tricks if someone chooses to use them (not have to learn two different ways of doing things depending on what magic is wanted). The back-end magic tricks also mean if WP wanted to change its defaults, it is easy to do it in a single place and have it apply everywhere. DMacks (talk) 05:22, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of templates are there because editors (I'm one of them) are lazy and want to save typing. For instance, {{sclass|Olympic|ocean liner}} and [[Olympic-class ocean liner|''Olympic''-class]] [[ocean liner]] both produce the same output. The first takes 30 characters, the second takes 61. Mjroots (talk) 08:50, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Mjroots: your second example illustrates finely why the use of {{sclass}} produces editorial issues. [[Olympic-class ocean liner|''Olympic''-class]] [[ocean liner]] is against the recommended practice per MOS:SEAOFBLUE: you should avoid having two (or more) consecutive Wikilinks that are visually indistinguishable from a single link. A simple [[Olympic-class ocean liner]] standing at 25 characters is even shorter than the style manual conforming {{sclass|Olympic|ocean liner|1}} with 32 characters. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The latter lacks the required italicisation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:33, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Should avoid" means that it is best practice. There is not a ban on two consecutive bluelinks, and sometimes it is necessary to have them. As has been demonstrated, formatting can also be coded in to a template. Mjroots (talk) 15:50, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually a strong case for using templates. When a consensus forms that some other way of writing it is better, changing the template (one edit) automatically fixes it everywhere. Otherwise, every article would need to be edited manually, and that's even taking for granted that they had all been using the (previous) consensus style. Likewise, if someone has a concern (such as you), it can be discussed and consensus formed in a central and well-known location. And in fact Template talk:Sclass#Collision between template output results and manual of style was started by you a year and a half ago and did not get sufficient traction. Therefore the current style is consistent and no alternative consensus exists. Please don't confuse style choice with the editing tool used to implement it. DMacks (talk) 19:56, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Malicious Editing of my page

A malicious person has editing my wiki page and said homophobic and terrible things about me. Here is what was edited onto my page:

(Redacted)

This is the information attached as best I could decipher from my page. I am unable to understand the IRL of who sent this. I would greatly appreciate this person being blocked from further attacking my reputation on Wikipedia. I have no known recourse to stop this from happening again. I blocked this person on IG and every other social network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dante_Ross&diff=prev&oldid=1360056103 ~2026-35752-41 (talk) 10:10, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ~2026-35752-4. It looks like you've gone ahead and removed the content yourself; this is allowed per WP:BLPSELF and WP:BLPREMOVE. I've removed the blurb of said content you added above in your post a replaced it with the template (Redacted). If this kind of thing happens again, your best bet might be to seek assistance via an email to the Wikipedia Oversight Team because doing so leave less of a "paper" trail on Wikipedia. It's also probably a good idea to not re-post the offending content on any other Wikipedia pages because it just makes more things to clean up. FWIW, I've added a user warning to the user talk page of the account that made those edits, but it's not a registered account so there's no much more that I can do this time. Perhaps, this was just a one time thing, and that person won't come back; if, however, they do, then asking for assistance at WP:AN a Wikipedia administrator might lead to the other account being WP:BLOCKed, the article being WP:PROTECTed, a combination of the two.

Finally, while I can understand how strong the temptation might be to try to get even with this other person via Wikipedia, please don't because that will only create problems for you. Please be very careful when it comes to WP:OUTING anyone on Wikipedia because that's one of the quickest way for an account to get into trouble. Just follow the guidance given in WP:DENY and seek assistance asap from a Wikipedia adminstrator. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:37, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see Wikipedia:About you, which has advice for article subjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:26, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sudden font change

It suddenly changed to a smaller font. How do I undo this? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:23, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Clarityfiend. I wonder if you have accidentally zoomed out on your web browser? Try resetting the zoom by holding down the following keys on your keyboard at the same time: Ctrl/Command and 0 qcne (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a cmd key. Anyway, if I go to a different website, the font is normal. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend: The slash meant or. Does Ctrl+0 or Ctrl++ work? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:13, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Ctrl-0 worked. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:41, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Baden-Powell

The CURRENT Lord B-P is SHOWN at the end of THIS Page Baron_Baden-Powell But that USED to be a Link to his own Page - that has now VANISHED ! a. WHY ?? b. How do we get it back ?? PobClay (talk) 10:37, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The article David Baden-Powell, 5th Baron Baden-Powell was converted to a redirect to Baron Baden-Powell following a deletion discussion which you can read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Baden-Powell, 5th Baron Baden-Powell. DuncanHill (talk) 11:08, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

That is SO disappointing !

Is there any way I can retrieve that data onto my computer ? PobClay (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@PobClay: the final version of the article before redirection is here. You can see the article history, and access earlier versions, here. DuncanHill (talk) 14:52, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

JUST the job !

THANK YOU ! PobClay (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted contributions

Hello,

I'm hoping someone can help me locate my contributions and recover content I wrote.

I created a Wikipedia article for a musician approximately 5 months ago while logged into my account (Thewilds88, created 24 January 2026). My contributions page shows that my account has 3 edits, but when I search my contributions no results appear — it says "No changes were found matching these criteria" even with all filters cleared.

I'm concerned the article may have been deleted. If so, I would really appreciate it if an administrator could: 1. Confirm whether the article was deleted and the reason 2. Restore the article text to my userspace (e.g. User:Thewilds88/[article name]) so I can recover the written content

I put significant work into writing this article and need to recover the text if possible.

Thank you for any help you can offer. Thewilds88 Thewilds88 (talk) 11:57, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I've shortened your header which just duplicated your message.

Draft:Pema Africa was deleted as unambiguous promotion with the comment "see WP:COI WP:RS WP:Notability (people), chatbot junk". Please don't use an AI/LLM to write for you. See WP:LLM. The text was indeed promotional and won't just be restored. It csn be emailed to you if you need it, but it seems this individual is not notable as a musician or more broadly a notable person. 331dot (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for getting back to me so promptly. Yes, can you please email the content back to me? You're help will be greatly appreciated as i put more than four days work into writing it and learning how to cite correctly. Pema Africa is well known on the South Africa local music scene and matter to the people in this country. It was not my intention to write promotionally, but to inform and that is why the content is written neutrally. if you can also link a page or video on how to write less promotionally, your help would be greatly appreciated. Thewilds88 (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Thewilds88.

Have you read WP:PRPEOPLE?

If somebody is paying you to write about them, then what they are doing - and what you are doing - is promotion.

In order to write an acceptable Wikipedia article about them, you will have to do something very different, probably, from what they are expecting. You will basically have to ignore everything you know about them, and everything that they say, in any medium, and concentrate on what people unconnected with them have chosen to publish about them.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

If you are successful, the result may or may not be what your client wants. But they, and you, will have no power to change it - you will be limited to making suggestions. And if it does end up saying things they don't like, they will not have the power to delete it. Please see WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Colin, this is very helpful information, thank you. Thewilds88 (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

In general, edits to deleted pages do not show up in the contribution history. Certes (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone explain why this page was deleted, even though a large percentage of people requested it be kept.

Darializa Avila Chevalier:

page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darializa Avila Chevalier (2nd nomination) Le-Belle-Dame-Sans-Merci (talk) 12:36, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There wasn't a WP:SNOW for delete, but the worry was that she is only a candidate and hasn't been elected yet. Wikipedia cannot guarantee to have an article about every candidate in every election. If she is elected in the 2026 United States House of Representatives elections in New York, it may be worth trying again.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:46, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Only two people had a hard suggestion of deletion. Seven requested it be kept , Seven requested it be redirected. One suggested that they would feel comfortable with either a redirection or deletion. The arguments were quite sound by those wanting it to be kept. Is there a way to contest this deletion. Le-Belle-Dame-Sans-Merci (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

We have WP:NPOL to consider (which she doesn't pass yet), and then, given that NPOL isn't fulfilled, weigh if she passes our WP:GNG. As most of the non-trivial sources about her had to do with her running for office, I think the redirect was the correct close of the discussion. Let it be said that AfDs aren't about numbers alone. As for contesting it: the Wiki-way of doing it would be to contact the closer first and see what they have to say. If they stand by their close, we have deletion review. Lectonar (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Because a deletion discussion, like most discussions on Wikipedia, is not a vote. It is arguments from Wikipedia's policy that prevail, not numbers for or against. ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

build a new business page

where can I add a page for my business please? Jbayad (talk) 15:43, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jbayad. You cannot, we are not a business directory. qcne (talk) 16:08, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Jbayad.

Please read WP:BOSS, which will explain the context of qcne's reply. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

On the top of my 'logged-on', found notification that I need to confirm my password

So I clicked acknowledgement, and then got a message to look in my email for the appropriate action (likely a code for me to put into a form). However, in the last hour that email from the Wiki-world hasn't arrived in my email. What to do? Thanks.Joel Russ (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You could try the spam folder, but if you still can't receive the email, contact ca

wikimedia.org.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:19, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Information about pages that no longer exist

Is it possible for a non-admin to determine whether an article that currently does not exist has existed in the past, or whether a currently existing article had a predecessor whose history is not in the current article? This would be helpful to me on AfD and AINB. For example, someone claims that article X is a translation of non-existant article Y: is there any way I can find out if Y has ever existed, and if so, when? Similarly, they claim that X is a translation of Y, but X was created earlier than Y; can I find out if there was a previous Y? Thank you. M kuhner (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@M kuhner: You can use Special:Log/delete. If the page doesn't currently exist then you can also click a red link to it like Amina Tandelova. If it does exist then click the "View history" tab on it and then "View logs for this page" at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

M Kuhner, if you are on mobile, the redlink won't work, but on desktop or desktop mode it will work as intended, I believe. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 17:49, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both! M kuhner (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Add a case-sensitive disclaimer to username part of log-in

The username part of the log in must have a disclaimer saying it is case-sensitive. — Ultimate Ultimatum (talk) 19:00, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly all username systems are case sensitive so it seems unnecessary to mention at every login. It's mentioned at Help:Logging in#Login issues and problems, and mw:Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password or username? which is linked on the login screen. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

OK. — Ultimate Ultimatum (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@UltimateUltimatum I suspect you mean an instruction. See disclaimer. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:16, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Food Templates

Hi! Are there any guidelines regarding the creation and use of food-related templates? Which option is recommended for use in articles?

Barseghian Lilia (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also, some template documentations state, "If there is an existing infobox, do not add this template." What does that mean? And why this documentation differ from that one? Barseghian Lilia (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Barseghian Lilia, the one should/may be used for American cuisine, the other should/may be used for Taiwanese cuisine. In this context, "American" seems to refer to the USA rather than one or both of the Americas; "Taiwanese" to the current population of Taiwan rather than only the indigenous population. "If there is an existing infobox, do not add this template" means, I suppose, "If there's already an infobox, don't add this as a second infobox". What to do for a US adaptation of a Taiwanese dish, or a Taiwanese adaptation of a US dish, can be discussed on the talk page of the specific article: what you can't do is have both infoboxes. The documentation for Template:Azerbaijani cuisine differs from that of Template:Chinese cuisine because there's nothing to constrain the editing of either, and different editors have, unsurprisingly, made different edits to each. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 23:52, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much Hoary, but my question was about something else. Why are different designs being used for food-related templates? For example, if you look at the templates for Armenian, Greek, Israeli, Levantine, and Turkish cuisines at the very end of this article, they all have one style, whereas at the beginning of the article there is the "Part of a series on Azerbaijani cuisine" template, which stands out from the others. Is there any established design standard or guideline for cuisine- and food-related templates? Barseghian Lilia (talk) 12:23, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Navbox" is quite a contrast with "infobox", Barseghian Lilia.

At the foot of the article Dolma (but in "desktop" view only), we have a number of templates, e.g. Template:Armenian cuisine. Each uses Template:Navbox. Instances of this may be stacked (and often are); for other notes on its use, see Wikipedia:Navigation template. A navbox points readers to other articles that may interest them.

At the head of the same article, we have Template:Infobox food. This uses Template:Infobox, whose documentation tells us: Help:Infobox contains an introduction to the recommended content and design of infoboxes; Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes contains additional style guidelines. An infobox provides pertinent (?) facts about the subject of the article.

The same pattern -- one infobox, several navboxes -- is often encountered. Consider an article unrelated to food, Mount Elbrus: This has Template:Infobox mountain at its head; five navboxes at its foot.-- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 22:22, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your detailed and clear explanation, Hoary! Barseghian Lilia (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Which is the best article this source can go in?

https://vtdigger.org/2023/01/22/then-again-years-of-research-reveal-details-of-bomber-crash-on-camels-hump/

I was reading a few articles of military aircraft (with at least one item in the aircraft accident database) edited by User:The Bushranger since I got a bit too overturned into what this guy was editing. Then I was reading the article Accidents and incidents involving the Consolidated B-24 Liberator and found a 1942 crash that had no source, so I literally searched up the entire line and found this source. Now I wonder what aviation accident was the source talking about or if the source is talking about this exact aviation crash. – SimpleObjects-9 ei 🏖️/☀️/🥵 (🌎 CentralAuth) 21:12, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No button to move page, though I met the criteria to get autoconfirmed

I met all the criteria to get autoconfirmed, but there's no button "move" in my tools sidebar. I was registered 5 years ago and made 14 edits this week. And xtools.wmcloud confirms that I got autoconfirmed, but when I edit in my personal sandbox, I don't see the button "move" Kate Patskevich (talk) 22:34, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Kate Patskevich: The rules for autoconfirmed have changed. You won't be autoconfirmed until 4 days after your first edit. RudolfRed (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!!! Kate Patskevich (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kate Patskevich. What page would you like to move? Just asking out of curiosity. If you're unable to do so at the moment, then perhaps someone else can make the move instead. If the page is an article, you can start a "move" discussion either on on the talk page of the page you want to move or at Wikipedia:Requested moves. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:19, 19 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for a suggestion. I'm prearing a page for one actor, which is long overdue, since he certainly meets notability guidelines. I'm still editing my page. I'm a meticulous person, so I want it to look perfect and meet all the criteria. If I don't see the button "move" in a few days, I'm gonna follow your advice. Thank you, Marchjuly ! Kate Patskevich (talk) 09:05, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Patskevich Unless you have prior experience in having articles accepted, it is highly recommended that you submit the draft for a review instead of moving it yourself. 331dot (talk) 09:06, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would gladly submit my draft for a review. When my draft is complete, can I reach out directly to the esteemed contributors to move my page? I've read that a draft can wait for a review for a few months Kate Patskevich (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Kate Patskevich As others have said, when you think that the draft about Antony Byrne (1969) in your sandbox is ready, which it clearly isn't at present, you should submit it for review using the big blue "submit" button. Although some reviews can take months, anything clearly meeting notability guidlines and well written with proper citations is likely to be accepted quite quickly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Donate

Hi my husband Brian Beaven donates for both of us and feel really bad that when I get the donate request under me I feel bad but we donate un my husband. thanks Bronwyn St clair ~2026-35915-69 (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? That's what this page is for. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 00:15, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you create an account, you can hide the fundraising banners. For other questions about donating, see Wikipedia:Contact_us/Donors RudolfRed (talk) 00:44, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me, Bronwyn St clair (~2026-35915-69): if your husband had donated money to a charity on behalf of you both, and then you saw an advert for that charity on the side of a passing bus, or on a hoarding, would you feel bad about that? This is the same situation.

Wikipedia, this site, cannot have knowledge of whether or not a particular device on the internet is being used by a person who has donated to the Wikipedia Foundation (where donations actually go), or had money donated to it on their behalf by someone else.

Even if the person has a Wikipedia account, Wikipedia itself doesn't know if that account has donated or not. This is deliberate, to ensure that donations can never influence what edits are made.

The most that can be done is that an account can be set not to show the request banners (regardless of whether or not the account holder has donated or not). To do that, one has actually to be using the account. I hope this helps to clarify the situation: you have no reason to feel bad. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 16:01, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Categorizing Free and Open Source Software

If software is released under the MIT license, it is Free software, it is Open-source software, and it is Free and open-source software. So what is the proper category? Category:Free software, Category:Open-source software, Category:Free and open-source software, or multiple cats? --Guy Macon (talk) 02:21, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would go for the separate categories Category:Open source software and Category:Free software. It seems more likely that a reader may be looking for one or the other while on the site than looking for a combination of the two. I haven't used advanced search features on Wikipedia in a while, but isn't there a way to look for pages that have both categories? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:50, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. FOSS is a very widely used term. See [2][3][4][5]. Is there a way to tell how many people search for FOSS on Wikipedia? --Guy Macon (talk) 03:52, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Password

asked for change of password but received no answer ~2026-35786-00 (talk) 06:47, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Check your junk mail folder(many people do not do this). Make sure you're using the address associated with the account. If you don't get an email, you won't be able to recover your password and will need to create a new account, which you can identify as a successor account.("I am User5678", I was previously User1234 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 15:40, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Submit value of a person

What are the most recommended ways to add a new value on a person who should be recognised ~2026-35764-36 (talk) 10:45, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Could you clarify what you mean by "add a new value"? If you mean adding information about a person on Wikipedia the recommended approach is to: Find independent reliable sources that discuss the person. Add only information that is supported by those sources. Cite the sources using references. Ensure the information is written neutrally and complies with Wikipedias biographies and verifiability policies. Can you provide an example of the information you would like to add? ~2026-35975-82 (talk) 13:45, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the time, the reason that a person is not getting recognition on Wikipedia is that they don't yet have recognition from publishers that Wikipedia trusts. Wikipedia never trusts a subject, or the subject's supporters, to explain why the subject deserves recognition, and this is because Wikipedia intentionally ignores "deserving recognition". We only accept "already having proof of recognition". TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:45, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Totally dissapointed

I got so excited when I got an email from Wilkpedia regarding my career as Santa Claus. I sent them a resume on my career as Santa, being a magician and motivational. I had an exciting career and I was so excited about being in Wilkpedia and when I got all my information together, a lady named Zoey told me I had to pay over $700 to be included in Wilkpedia. I hung up and was so disappointed.

THIS IS WHAT I SENT ~2026-35882-94 (talk) 15:05, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Cavender Collapsed content DMacks (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Cavender (born May 1, 1958) is a former Disc Jockey, Author, Motivational Speaker and professional Santa Claus.

Early life and education

Tim Cavender was born on May 1st, 1958 at the Tate Community Clinic. He is the son of Roger and Mildred Cavender. Roger was an automobile body repairman who painted the automobile that appeared in the movie Driving Miss Daisey. Mildred worked at the Georgiaa Marble Company in Tate, Georgia.

Tim Cavender attended Ball Ground Elementary School and Cherokee High School. While in high School, he worked part time at WCHK Radio Station in Canton, Georgia as a Disc Jockey. He also entered the high school’s talent show for doing impressions of television and movie stars. He received the First Place Student Award and the First Place Judges Award

Career

Tim went on to work as a Public Information Officer for Amicalola Electric Membership Corporation. He also worked at Cherokee County Fire and Emergency Services as their Public Information Officer. During this time while working, he traveled extensively throughout the southeast performing magic and closing with a motivational talk called The Magic Within You.

Santa Claus Career

In 1974, Tim’s classmates asked him to be their Santa Claus for their Christmas Assembly Program and his response was “Absolutely Not!” After a few days he gave in and told the students that he would do it. As he walked down the aisle doing his Ho Ho Ho’s, the students acted like children and loved seeing Santa. That was the start of his Santa career.

He purchased his first Santa suit and began appearing locally as Santa. He began to work on his Santa appearance and began traveling locally and throughout the southeast. Tim purchased an expensive Santa suit and started working on a theatrical beard to make him look like the real Santa Claus.

Tim’s Santa career began to blossom and he decided to start a Christmas Parade in his hometown of Ball Ground, Georgia. So, he went before the City Council and asked if he could do a parade and they agreed and the March of the Toys Parade was born and thousands of people attended the event for many years. During one of the parades, a sweet little four-year old girl came to sit on his lap and Santa asked her what she wanted for. The little girl said, “Santa, I want you to bring my daddy home for Christmas.” Santa asked her where her daddy was and she responded by saying that her daddy was a soldier in Afghanistan. Santa had a prayer with the little girl and when she got off Santa’s lap, her mother bent down and told him that her daddy was coming home in a few days. Santa told her mother to call him when he came back because he wanted to make her wish come true. A few days passed and Santa received the call. When she came home, she walked in to see Santa and Mrs. Claus in the living room. Santa asked her to come sit on his lap. Santa asked her about her daddy and make to make a wish and asked for her daddy to come home. The doorbell rang and the door opened and her daddy walked in. All the television stations in Atlanta picked it up and it was also shown on CNN.

During this time, Tim was approached by a local movie producer about being Santa in a movie called Charlie’s Christmas Wish. He went on to appear in another movie called Christmas at the Grey Horse Inn.

In 2014, Tim was inducted into the International Santa Claus Hall of Fane. Later, he became a member of the Knights of Saint Nicholas.

Unfortunately, in 2023, Tim had a stroke and a diagnosis of lung cancer. He has never smoked a cigarette in his life. His lung cancer is currently in remission.

HOLLYWOOD STARS

Tim has been seen as Santa with many TV stars including:

Charlene Tilton from Dallas

T G Shepard

Lulu Roman and Diana Goodman, who dated Elvis Presley and appeared on Hee Haw

~2026-35882-94 (talk) 15:06, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Good thing you hung up - that was a scammer. Legitimate Wikipedia editors will never contact an article subject by email and will never request money for edits. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 15:21, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Notable topics, including notable people, get an article free of charge. Other topics don't get an article and can not buy one. Anyone pretending to sell Wikipedia entries is a scammer, and you are right not to waste your money with them. Certes (talk) 15:35, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That user page is probably what inspired the scammer. Maproom (talk) 09:24, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Appropriate template to note ongoing discussion

I've come across a situation where ^{[disputed – discuss]} doesn't make sense, and by virtue of word choice ^{[under discussion]} does—but it's an article rather than a project page. The note is being added to a fact that isn't disputed (that some negotiations are ongoing)—the issue is that the presentation of that section of the article itself is, well, under discussion.

Is there a better template to use? ^{[dubious – discuss]} has the same problem as "Disputed". Alternatively, is there a way to make ^{[disputed – discuss]} use a word other than "Disputed"?—I don't see it in the documentation Placeholderer (talk) 16:05, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Placeholderer: Does {{discuss}} work for your purposes? You can modify the |text= parameter to change it to something else than "discuss". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:26, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that's perfect! Thanks! Placeholderer (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing errors on Henri Temianka

Reference help requested. Thanks much for your advice. I am not clear how to correct the entry. I copied and pasted the parentheses etc. from previous web references. Your further specific advice will be appreciated. DT Thanks, DtemiankaHT (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it looks like to cited the home page of the site rather than a specific article. The specific reference error was because you didn't include a title for the reference, but you'll need to cite the specific page where Temianka is mentioned, as site home pages change often.

Note: if you are related to the subject, as I suspect you are due to your username, you have a conflict of interest; you'll need to disclose it (see here) and submit a COI edit request so someone else can review your suggestion and complete the edit themselves (see here). ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 17:20, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @DtemiankaHT.

First, and most important, judging by your username, you have some connection with Henri Temianka. If that is the case, then you have a conflict of interest. You should publicly declare your connection with him (usually on your user page), and you should not directly edit the article about him, but instead should use the edit request wizard to request edits, which an uninvolved editor will inspect and decide what change is appropriate.

The specific problem you are having is that {{cite web}} requires the title of the web page being cited, and you haven't given one. I guess that you haven't given one because the URL, being to the top level of the Pacific Symphony website, doesn't have a title.

But the purpose of a reference is to provide a way of verifying that the information it is cited against: unless somewhere on that website there is a page that is about the founding of the Concert Series, the citation is completely useless. If there is a page there, you should link to that page, and give the title of that page.

Having said that, it would be much preferred if you cited an indepedent source for the Concert Series. The guidance on self-published sources - which is what that is - says that they may be used as long as "The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim" (among other conditions). But in my view talking about a concert series named after Temianka is promotional (or self-serving) and so requires an independent source. (Ditto for the Audio Presentation Lab, though there at least, the citation actually verifies the information).

In fact the whole article is hopelessly promotional. While there are a number of sources which do appear to be reliable and independent, there are several which are clearly not, and there is a great deal of material which is not cited at all. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

About using 'representative images' in infobox

Is there any clear Wikipedia policy regarding using a 'representative image' in the infobox, to depict phenotypes of ethnic groups? I can see that there is consensus not to use a gallery of group members as the lead image for ethnic groups, and that articles on European ethnic groups generally appear to avoid having any in the infobox, but I'm interested if there are any past discussions or policy prohibiting/restricting usage of images to illustrate phenotype in the lede. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Since ethnic groups (social constructs) do not have 'phenotypes' (traits of individual organisms), regardless of any other considerations this would be grossly inappropriate. Wikipedia is not an exercise in 19th-century scientific racism. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that ethnic groups shouldn't have a picture in the lede to portray how phenotypes of a certain people are like/supposed to look like. I wanted to know if there were any policy/discussions regarding it.

For the context, on Balti people there is a slow ongoing edit war among editors regarding what they think "ideal phenotype" of the ethic group is supposed to be. Sutyarashi (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing context. The most relevant policy, I think, is MOS:LEADIMAGE and, in this case, WP:EDITWAR. I've warned both users about the edit warring policy. They should discuss the most appropriate image on the talk page rather than continuing to revert. I don't think there is explicit guidance of what images should be used in the lead for an ethnic group, but MOS:LEADIMAGE does mention that "not having a lead image may be the best solution if there is no easy representation of the topic." You and the other editors should discuss at Talk:Balti people whether it makes sense to have a lead image and what it should be, rather than continuing to revert each other. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 23:10, 20 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The actual close explanation of the RFC regarding gallery or photomontage seems like it could be the basis for single/ideal image discussion as well. DMacks (talk) 00:09, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... it's not explicitly stated but I think the same logic applies. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 00:16, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

To rephrase my question somewhat better it was not about choosing what the image should be, which is arguably impossible to find without indulging in pseudoscientific notions of race and phenotypes, but rather is it needed or even desirable to have any images in the lead section and/or any relevant discussions. I'm of view infobox shouldn't have any and if it is necessary they should be in the main body. So far I'm getting the impression that for ethnic groups infobox shouldn't have pictures especially in the case of conflict. Sutyarashi (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree, as regards to 'cases of conflict'. More generally, infoboxes are supposed to be used for uncontested factual content, and while a photo can only ever at best be 'representative' for an ethnic group, it would seem entirely reasonable to avoid including such a photo if there is genuine sourced debate about what might be appropriate. If people aren't citing sources, but just arguing based on their own opinions, they probably shouldn't be editing at all. We sometimes have to resort to personal opinion and subjective judgement over infobox images (see the long-running debate over the infobox image for the Human article), but we certainly shouldn't be framing such discussions around whether someone is 'really' a member of a particular ethnic group without a very good case to argue. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:55, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Harv and Sfn no-target errors"

On Junius Wilson I've tried correcting the refs to avoid this error message, but I'm woefully inept when it comes to certain technical aspects of this site. Does someone know how I can fix it? Thank you. APK hi :-) (talk) 04:32, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@APK: I've fixed them. Most were caused by using the surname in the harv, but using "author = surname, firstname" in the citation template. Use "last = surname | first = forename" in teh citation template. The name in the harv must match that in the citation template exactly. For example I fixed one here. A couple were minor typos, for example here and here. The remainder were where you haven't got an author name, but use the name of a publication. In these you have to give the citation template a "name" of its own, for the harv to recognise. Use the name and date from the harv you've used, and put it in a SfnRef inside the citation template, like this. You can see the total changes I made here. All the best, DuncanHill (talk) 09:04, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your assistance! APK hi :-) (talk) 09:05, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@APK: Oh, I actually didn't fix one, "The Associated Press (1992)" because I couldn't tell which source was meant. There isn't one listed from The Associated Press with a 1992 date. DuncanHill (talk) 09:07, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it might be one of these I removed because I didn't think they were in use (I had trimmed 1/3 of the article). APK hi :-) (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

And only one of those is 1992, so I've put it back, with the SfnRef to make it work. Thank you for writing the article. DuncanHill (talk) 09:14, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks a million! APK hi :-) (talk) 09:18, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Where to best report a quackery article?

Found a quackery article from 2019, that seemingly has not been detected since. Manuel Rendon, a 3D printer filament sales person advertising himself as "a breakthrough inventor" with outlandish claims about his products. And at worst echo chambers on all pages where his company is mentioned (Reddit and Google Groups), and at best non constructive discussions where the questions asked are never answered.

The "awards" referred to all seem to be dead end corporations with names that "sound like" prestigious awards (such as Reuters GSI), but actually aren't, just named similarly. The only published article mentioning his company is one in Yahoo finance which is authored by the company itself, so I assume that is a paid for guest article. Or is Yahoo finance contributing not even behind a paywall?

I could either go to nominate for deletion, but I don't know if deletion is the best starting point, as deleting pages of prominent fraud schemes can worsen disinformation by making any information harder to find. But perhaps this specific case is not prominent enough to require an article on Wikipedia for that, and that should fall to local journalism instead. Ybllaw (talk) 09:51, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You have nominated it for deletion, so all further discussion will take place there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:15, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Ybllaw. Unless the "prominent fraud scheme" has been the subject of multiple independent in-depth discussion, then it is irrelevant to Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how the logic of AFD works. Dismissing fraud on the basis of "it hasn't been debunked" is not how science works. The lack of proof of the claims presented on the page is the problem. Not "the lack of disproof". Please head over to the talk page to reply. Ybllaw (talk) 19:44, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Fraud" is a separate issue from "unsupported claims". Lying is not fraud. (Fraud probably requires lies, but that doesn't make them equivalent.) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:57, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call it "quackery". The article makes no medical claims. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Category naming conventions

I've noticed a user has been moving some articles on my watchlist from 'Y establishments in X' to 'X organisations established in Y' - Category:1972 establishments in the United Kingdom to Category:British organisations established in 1972, for instance. I was wondering if anyone might know where this has come from?

It feels a bit odd to me to refer to these organisations as 'British', maybe even a little politically charged, compared to stating the country in which they were established. Also rather ambiguous to be honest as I am sure there are many organisations that I might think of as British that were in fact founded elsewhere.

Wondering if anyone had any advice or knowledge about this? Xii Xii 09:58, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@12xii: The United Kingdom is a country and "Bristish" here just means from the country the United Kingdom, like Category:1972 establishments in the United States versus Category:American organizations established in 1972. Some people argue that "American" can apply to all of North and South America but the normal convention in English is that "American" refers to the US. The difference between the category members is not UK versus British or US versus American but whether it's organisations. Category:British organisations established in 1972 is a subcategory of Category:1972 establishments in the United Kingdom, and Wikipedia wants articles to be in the most specific categories. There are also categories like Category:1972 establishments in Scotland but no Category:Scottish organisations established in 1972, so a Scottish organisation established in 1972 could be in Category:1972 establishments in Scotland and Category:British organisations established in 1972 at the same time, since the former is the most specific for location and the latter is the most specific for type. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, I actually had looked to find a US version but couldn't find it. For all the orgs I've written pages for, I've somehow never seen the specific category below establishments in general. Cheers Xii Xii 11:15, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Shrek edit request

Greetings. In Shrek it is written that the 25th anniversary theatrical re-release will only be in the US. But that's not true. It's going to be shown all over the world. Could someone fix this? ~2026-35599-34 (talk) 11:01, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If there is sourcing for this, you can make an edit request at Talk:Shrek, because the article is currently semi-protected.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:52, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Self published books

Hello, following this diff, does it make sense to cite a self published book ([6])? Hard to know if this is self-promotion since it was an IP editor. My first thought is to revert this edit, but not sure. --Engineerchange (talk) 16:20, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It probably falls foul of WP:SPS, though it might be looking at the book to see if it cites any acceptable sources for the content in question - it seems to include a fair amount of detail regarding sourcing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:25, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle mobile

Is there any way to use Twinkle on a mobile phone without turning on a desktop computer? Can Twinkle be used through a mobile browser or any alternative method? Hirematviru (talk) 17:42, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Hirematviru: According to WP:TWINKLE, its not supported on the default mobile skin, but there is a patch you can use. See the section "Use on mobile devices". RudolfRed (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Volleyball editors

This Help Desk is provided to answer questions relating to using and editing Wikipedia. Any such questions can be answered in a single thread, and discussions of user behaviour belong elsewhere.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Volleyball editors are refusing to talk to me and want to delete my pages, even though they were okay with it a few weeks ago. They are completely ignoring me and someone needs to do something about it as they are not being civil and fair, which is how Wikipedia should be run like. I have never had problems with others sport sections in Wikipedia. But for some reason, volleyball people give me such a difficult time.

For example, this one editor deleted my work on the Volleyball Nations League pages and said that he deleted it because it created too many bytes. However, since then, I had reduced the bytes significantly through changing a few things round. Then, he reverts my edits within 15 minutes, saying it is unnecessary what I did. He literally said there were too many bytes, I then changed it to address his concerns, but then he deletes that too.

I also originally did something else which I thought would help the Volleyball Nations League pages and a similar thing happened. This time, he once again said there were too many bytes by has now changed his problems to being that the coding looks too difficult to read with the links I created. This change of reasoning for why he didn't like what I did is come across as very convenient to me.

Seriously, this is ridiculous and that is why I struggle to believe that my articles that were nominated for deletion were nominated ethically as they were fine with it a few weeks ago but now after I started changing different things, they now want to delete what I did even though I've spent hours and days doing it.

By the way, all I am doing are things that are common place in sports like Basketball, Handball, Water polo and a few others. They have even been done in other volleyball articles. Yet, volleyball editors are adamant to revert what I am doing. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not start multiple threads on the same topic. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Well someone needs to bring attention to the volleyball editors and nothing was being done. Instead of wasting energy by talking to me, start talking to them about why the volleyball section runs like a cult. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"I attempted to make edits because only the suggestions told me to."

The discussion has migrated to WP:Growth Team features#Newcomer tasks. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 05:29, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

At User talk:~2026-34436-48 We see a brand new editor who appears to have made a good faith effort to improve Wikipedia by doing what "the suggestions told me to". This is the third time I have seen this. Clearly some automated process (maybe part of visual editor? Maybe something to do with mobile?) is giving these new editors suggestions and the result is experienced editors and administrators having to clean up the mess this causes. I have to assume that only the WMF can do something like that. Am I wrong? Is, say, Google making suggestions about editing Wikipedia pages?

So I have two questions:

[1] Exactly where are these suggestions coming from? What program decides what to suggest? Is there any way an ordinary editor can trigger the feature and see the suggestions for a particular page, or do I have to use a different device and pretend to be a new unregistered editor?

[2] Where is the proper place to post an RfC discussing whether we should have some clanker suggest edits and use innocent newbies as meatpuppets to make the actual edits?

--Guy Macon (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of any external program that makes suggestions, but it might exist. It sounds like they're seeing the 'suggested edits/articles' on their homepage and editing according to those, which usually have general suggestions like 'add more reliable sources'. Not sure though. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The tags on [7] indicate it's "Suggestion mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. See mw:Edit check/Suggestions. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:05, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that looks like what I was talking about (I'd only encountered those through the homepage before). TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Guy Macon, I see you've gotten your specific answer already, but also fyi that the team working on this is at WT:GTF if you have further questions. In solidarity, asilvering (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that I asked a similar question at Wikipedia:Help desk#Edit Suggestion. Note to self: next time, smoke crack after editing Wikipedia.

When I finish typing this I am going to enable suggestion mode in preferences. More after I do that and see what kind of suggestions it makes. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:30, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon I was going to tell you that. I managed to enable suggestion mode. I accepted one of three suggestions, all removing external links, at Herbert Durham. TSventon (talk) 01:37, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think these are the kinds of task documented at Wikipedia:Growth Team features#Newcomer tasks. —In solidarity with Wiki Workers United · ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 01:47, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That seems like a much better place to discuss this. Could someone who isn't involved in this discussion please close this as resolved with a link to Growth Team features#Newcomer tasks in the collapse statement? Thanks!

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

User groups

Should an editor who edits mostly at the Wikipedia or Wikipedia talk namespace in a minor capacity, excluding bots and approved alternate accounts, receive the confirmed and autoconfirmed usergroups, if they do not contribute beyond trivial discussions to Wikipedia? Does this count as WP:PGAME? Go D. Usopp (talk) 03:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you want idle discussion, there's not really any place on Wikipedia that accepts idle discussion. If you have an honest proposal to make, you should look at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 05:09, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

1. "...if they do not contribute beyond trivial discussions..?" No. Idle discussion indeed not approved on WP. But do vaguely humorous asides count?

2. Does this count as WP:PGAME? Yes. MinorProphet (talk) 12:42, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Which noticeboard should I send details about this issue to? Go D. Usopp (talk) 12:55, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Go D. Usopp: violations of WP:PGAME are discussed at WP:ANI, I suggest searching for recent mentions of WP:PGAME in the WP:ANI archive to see the kinds of editing that are reported. As an ANI novice, I would probably wait until they start editing in an area reserved for extended confirmed editors. TSventon (talk) 13:44, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Go D. Usopp PGAME requires an intent to circumvent the system. One can argue that an editor who naturally gains these perms through primarily non-mainspace editing might not actually be prepared for the privileges those perms give them, but it's not PGAME. PGAME means the intentional act of doing things like making lots of dummy/minor edits to inflate your edit count very quickly. Athanelar (talk) 08:28, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Donations

I donate via my CC 9$ CAD every month. Yet I keep getting noise about donating in my way when I visit your site on my phone. I'm actually about to stop the donations unless you can stop this. It's really effing annoying. ~2026-36253-01 (talk) 07:10, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, please see Wikipedia:Suppress display of the fundraising banner. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. You are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing donate@wikimedia.org. Thank you! The donor team manages the banners; the volunteers who edit articles and answer questions at the help desk have no control over the banners. —In solidarity with Wiki Workers United · ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email) 07:18, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@~2026-36253-01 You may also be interested to read about Wikipedia finances. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:28, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Globe telecom one link

refund payment ~2026-36319-28 (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, can you please clarify what you need help with? This is an encyclopedia so we can't help with refunds. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 10:11, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Script warning

Hi,

I was updating photo into "Port Renfrew" page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Renfrew ) , and was getting the following error so not sure if it's a concern?

Script warning:  {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help): this reference has errors; messages may be hidden (help).

I still saved my changes, but I basically added a new photo and updated photo description.

thanks for any assistance.

Mike Mpeel (talk) 14:51, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mpeel, the error was present before your recent edits. The error is that reference 2 uses {{cite web}}, which is for web sources, but does not include a url. TSventon (talk) 15:03, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Adding language but translation already exists

I have made the page for Hong Kong Island Cluster and it has a Chinese version already, how do I add language and make it able to switch between my page (eng) and the original chin page?

Thanks! Ilovetf2somuchwow (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean getting both versions to show up on that language selector feature? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:05, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think they want to create a Wikidata item and link both articles to it. TSventon (talk) 16:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have linked the items and copied some detail from Hong Kong West Cluster (Q15932589) to Hong Kong Island Cluster (Q140315036). TSventon (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page Archiving Help

Hi,

I am trying to archive some chats on my talk page but I am not sure I understand this, “all the other stuff with curly brackets at the top of the edit box”, trying to explain where to paste the code.

I am not sure I do know where to paste the code. A bit confusing. Can someone help with a screenshot? Or better explanation?

Best! Obinna Tony (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You've looked here: Help:Archiving a talk page? Cattenion (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I added a code to your talk page - the relevant wikibot should now archive automatically. Cattenion (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! Obinna Tony (talk) 17:34, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

New company wikipedia

I am part of a newly formed company and I want to create a wikipedia page. We have an old page for our previous product but we want a new page for this new product. Is this a conflict of interest? Andreacutright (talk) 19:33, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, creating an article (not a 'page') for a company and/or product you are involved with absolutely involves a conflict of interest. And note that we really aren't interested in what you want. Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia, not an advertising platform, and whether we chose to have an article on a specific topic is determined by the subject's notability, as demonstrated through in-depth coverage in independent published reliable sources. Likewise the content of the article itself must be based around such sources. And note that not only will you not have any control over what an article on your company and/or product says, but per our WP:CoI policy, you will be expected declare your CoI explicitly, and to make proposals regarding content rather than editing the article yourself. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:43, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Consider using Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies . Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:41, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Andreacutright See WP:Advice for paid editors. I'd also appreciate if you could direct us to the old page for our previous product so that we can take a look at it. Athanelar (talk) 08:26, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

New to wiki. Possible conflict of interest for possible new person of notability article?

Hi, I am a new editor to Wiki. I used to be a paid employee of an organization but am now just a volunteer. As a volunteer, I have been asked to try to get a Wiki article on my organization's CEO as a person of notability. Is this still a major conflict? What do you think my chances are of getting an article if I disclose this connection? Thanks! Martinique24 (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what relationship you have to the organisation now, but it sounds like a conflict of interest to me.

The fact that you have a conflict of interest doesn't inherently make an article you write less likely to be accepted; when reviewing an article (which will be done, as all new CoI articles must go through articles for creation), the main factors taken into account are:

Is the person notable?
Is the article adequately supported by reliable sources?
Is the article written from a neutral point of view?

As long as you ensure the article meets those criteria, you have a high likelihood of it being accepted. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 20:42, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what relationship you have to the organisation now, but it sounds like a conflict of interest to me.

As far as I know, "a relationship" is already a conflict of interest, regardless of what kind or what level of relationship. In addition, "former employee" is a very close relationship, even including a former employee who now hates their former employer. ("Close but in a bad way" would describe such a relationship.) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 18:08, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you still have a conflict of interest. Volunteer work can also still be paid editing because volunteers usually put the experience on their resumes, making the experience the "payment". 331dot (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Martinique24.

Please read WP:BOSS, and show it to whoever asked you to do what is very probably an impossible task. ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also, consider using Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/People in business . Regards, --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:43, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Error in Article

I am confused/ How, where do I attempt to correct an error in an article? And how are going to anxwer me? My email address is (Redacted)

Howi Gilman ~2026-36436-47 (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you have permission to edit the article, you should be able to just click the pencil icon and fix it yourself. Where is the error? ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 21:20, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Getting started if you still need help. Do not share your email address on Wikipedia. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 21:22, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Also useful, see Wikipedia:Emailing users . --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:45, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Might be useful also to take a look at the essay Wikipedia:Mistakes are allowed. Also, sometimes perceived errors are a result of someone adding unnecessary editorial content to an article, in which case the best approach would be to remove such content and add to the page's Talk page rather than Wikipedia:EDITWAR in the article content. Regards, --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:37, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Howi, and thank you for wanting to help us improve Wikipedia.

The best approach depends on what kind of error it is. If it is a simple typo, you can usually just edit the article to correct it (but be aware that spelling rules are not the same everywhere where people speak English - see WP:ENGVAR). If it's an obvious mistake like the wrong year, similarly.

But other kinds of error can be more complicated: sometimes "everybody knows" something that is not in fact true (see Mandela effect). Sometimes you know something because you were there, but all the books say something different - in that case, unfortunately, Wikipedia goes with what the books say, because if information is not verifiable it is not helpful to a reader.

And sometimes there are things that different people genuinely disagree about (for example, many aspects of politics, national identity, fringe medicine) and there often one person's "error" is another person's "truth", and Wikipedia does its best to steer a neutral path, relying on the reliable published sources.

So, if it is something that you think most people would agree is an error, you can just go ahead and correct it (but don't get upset if somebody disagrees: then you can discuss the matter, see WP:BRD). For anything else, the best approach is to open a discussion on the article's talk page (every article has one, though sometimes it hasn't been created yet) to see if other people agree with you. ColinFine (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sloppy bot archival at Talk:Vatican City

The archives for Talk:Vatican City are out of chronological order because the page switched to a poorly-configured automatic archival in 2019, and also older content was inappropriately removed during this process. There are 3 archives, but new stale discussions are being sent to the second archive. I'm trying to recompile all the archived discussions in the correct order at User:LaundryPizza03/sandbox6. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 21:17, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Worse yet, some of the manual archives seem to have been in 'reverse chronological order. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 21:19, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This might be better posted at WP:TECHPUMP. I'll put a cross-reference there shortly. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:28, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think at this point, I have calculated the chronological order, including 8 new attributions for undated sections. Final results: Special:Diff/1360672068. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 22:32, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@LaundryPizza03: Somebody requested bot archiving with |maxarchsize=150000 |numberstart=1 in 2019.[8] This means: Fill each archive page up to 150,000 bytes starting with Archive 1. That's bad if there are existing smaller archives. After your cleanup, set numberstart to the last archive or one more. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:55, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I do have problem with Confirming email address! Can anyone help?

So, I know I have had this problem for a while, but recently I found the info about this issue, AND I CAN'T disable it! And it says: "To finish setting up your account, confirm your email address. This is required if you ever need to recover your account, and other features and security protections on Wikipedia may require a confirmed email." So, I attempted to send the confirmation email address. It also said: "A confirmation code has already been emailed to you; if you recently created your account, you may wish to wait a few minutes for it to arrive before trying to request a new code." Then I clicked "Link a confirmation code", and even though I checked Gmail (but for the record I do not have an Outlook account). And I found nothing... I tried everything; I checked the Spam or Promotions section, but I couldn't find my code anywhere!!!

So can anyone give me a guide, advice or any help to solve this issue? (Or any way to disable Gmail filters?) SI Moon Grubisz440 (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

How long ago did you click through the 'confirm your email address' option? It could be that you've not waited long enough. It is possible that the sending of the email is dependent upon some adminstrator activity, in which case (if a manual step is needed??) then it might be a day or more before the confirmation email comes through. I'm speculating on the reason, but I'd suggest letting some time pass. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:24, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Grubisz440: The email address is stored at Special:Preferences. If you don't have an email address where mail from Wikipedia gets through (see Comparison of webmail providers for some free options for an alternative address) then you can remove the address. You will be unable to recover the account if you forget the password. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, problem solved! I just changed my Wikipedia password to connect with Gmail via "New Password" by changing it to be identical. Everything went well as intended, and I successfully confirmed the email address; in other words, it works, for now.

Thank you for your support and tips for it! Have a day and relief!! SI Moon Grubisz440 (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

4 months and article still has noindex tag

Hello I created an article 4 months ago and it still has the noindex tag. Shouldn’t it be removed after 90 days?Extended phase graph NathanBeaumont (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see that the article has the NOINDEX magic word in it's raw content. Could you point it out if you see it? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:21, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't appear to have a noindex tag (it has <meta name="robots" content="max-image-preview:standard"> in the html, which would contain noindex if it was noindexed), Google just haven't indexed it yet. Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing suggests making any edit to see if this fixes it. Danski454 (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

OK I’ve made a minor edit to see if Google indexes it now. NathanBeaumont (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@NathanBeaumont: Extended phase graph is indexed by Google now. Always state your real goal and not just something you think is needed (XY problem). It was me who added the tip to Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing so it's nice to see it works. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

My bad not realizing the noindex tag was already gone. I confirmed the page is now indexed on Google thanks guys. NathanBeaumont (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Make a new one how?

How do i make a new artical BJJ FANATIC SWEDEN (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:HOW as an introduction to contributing and Help:Your first article in particular. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:18, 22 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

BJJ FANATIC SWEDEN, Ceyockey's suggestion was good; but it was clear from your user page (which I deleted a few minutes ago as flagrantly promotional) that just suggesting it was inadequate. Read Wikipedia:HOW, and digest it. Then read Help:Your first article and digest it. If you have questions about what you read, ask here. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 00:20, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes visual editor will undo my changes and other errors

I'm on Chrome and sometimes when I edit a section, once I click the next section, I see that all my changes get reverted. Occasionally, it also adds a bunch of typos and weird punctuations in the middle of words. Anybody know why? Wolfcolallc (talk) 03:30, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Like an earlier item here, I think this is better addressed at Wikipedia:TECHPUMP. I'll create a cross-reference to this n that forum momentarily. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:39, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

How do I nominate a redirect for deletion?

I've got more than 35K edits, but it's been a while, and I've forgotten how to do this. Crystal Rae redirects to an article that does not mention her, or have anything to do with her. How do I nominate this for deletion? How do I access the link page rather than the targeted page? ubiquity (talk) 08:38, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

When you arrive at the redirect target, you should see text near the top that says "Redirected from Crystal Rae"; click on the link and it will take you to the Crystal Rae redirect page. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Ubiquity: There is usually a reason for a redirect even if the target doesn't currently show it. A search shows her body was both called Racine County Jane Doe and Crystal Rae before being identified. Consider adding "or Crystal Rae" instead of deleting the redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! ubiquity (talk) 17:42, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Due to edit conflict on 2024 Filton Elbit Systems break-in I lost my draft

Due to an edit conflict yesterday, I was using visual editor and it couldn't merge my edits with the new edit. Are you able yo assist with this as I spent the day editing only to lose my work? I've tried looking for a local copy and nothing was saved. I tried to publish my edits but it wouldn't let me and then when I pressed back and accepted the changes it had lost all of my work.

2024 Filton Elbit Systems break-in Greenpark79 (talk) 09:10, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Opening the source editor often prompts to recover lost changes as there's some saving mechanism there, but I'm not sure if it saves changes made in the visual editor as well. Otherwise, I don't think there's much that can be done if you don't have a copy if your work. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 10:42, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The source editor doesn't show my changes from yesterday and it appears to have not saved anywhere from the browser local storage or on the page or in my sandbox. Greenpark79 (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Greenpark79: If "Enable the Edit Recovery feature" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing then Special:EditRecovery may help. It cannot recover edits from before it was enabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't even aware of that until yesterday. Greenpark79 (talk) 11:58, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Notifications victims soldiers war Iran 2026

Hello.Actualization numbers of deaths Israelians soldiers. Was remain to 32 to your oage,but 2 days ago 5 Israelians soldiers was killed in Lebanon. So total numbers is 37 Israelians soldiers died. ~2026-36241-80 (talk) 11:42, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @~2026-36241-80. Thank you for your suggestion.

Wikipedia is not a news outlet - we haven't got a paid staff who will keep articles about developing events up to date, so we don't attempt to.

If you were an established editor I would suggest that you make an edit request, but as an unregistered new editor, you are not permitted to edit or even take part in a discussion on articles in contentious topics. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You're still allowed to make edit requests to contentious topics as a non-extended-confirmed user, but that's the only way you're allowed to discuss them. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 12:31, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would say casualties in the conflict are a contentious issue and not something a non-EC user should request- but it does depend on the specifics. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Citation error, how do I correct or reply the message left in my dashboard

Reference error

How do I reply the message left on my dashboard Amaka of God (talk) 16:41, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Amaka of God you don't need to reply as the message is automatic. The BusinessDay reference in Saburi Biobaku included |last=BusinessDay . The bot recognised that BusinessDay is not a normal human last name, so it left you a message. I removed it as BusinessDay is already mentioned as the website. TSventon (talk) 16:56, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Translation template for words with grammatical gender variation in context?

I was curious if there is a template or standardized treatment for introducing a non-English term with grammatical gender, wherein I want to introduce multiple genders at once: specifically I am working on a page wherein I want to introduce men and women in the trokiando subculture - takuaches and takuchitas - simultaneously as self-identifying terms. Thank you, chickenpox4dinner (talk · contribs · email) 16:49, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am not aware of a template, you could look at the first sentence of Latino (demonym) or Chicano. TSventon (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing a Page

I want to publish a page about an AI security company named Aurascape. But I don't know what steps to take first. https://aurascape.ai/ Biglal (talk) 18:36, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Useful steps are in WP:Your first article. But you need a step 0: if you are connected to this company in any way, you need to read WP:COI and follow the steps in there to declare conflict of interest. If you are paid for this, or are an employee of the company, you also need to read WP:PAID and follow the steps in there.

Most companies can't have Wikipedia articles due to lack of secondary sources (independent, reliable outside coverage). I suggest looking for sources before you write a single word: get them together, look at them as objectively as you can, decide if they meet criteria. If not, there's no point spending time writing, as the article will be rejected or deleted. M kuhner (talk) 18:44, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to state first and foremost that creating a new article is a monumental task when you are starting out. Learning the ins and outs of wikipedia takes time and can be done by trying out newcomer tasks and reading help pages, or trying out the wikipedia adventure to start learning more advanced editing techniques. You will have a rough time trying to get an article on this subject approved - nearly all the sources I could find do not fulfill the source reliability criteria, that is, they are all trivial coverage talking about how much money has been invested into this company. -- Reconrabbit (talk) 20:18, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Biglal.

If you are in any way connected to this company, I suggest you read WP:BOSS, and show it to your boss. (Even if you are not, you may find it a useful read). ColinFine (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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