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September 5, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
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National Rally

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Result: Delisted. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 17:45, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited text, including entire paragraphs. I think the lead, at six paragraphs, is too long and should be more concise. The article is too detailed in some places, like the 2010 section, and the one-sentence pargaraphs should be merged. Z1720 (talk) 16:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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They’re closer economically with the left than classic American capitalism

Just saying, they’re kinda socialists 2804:14C:183:8D74:A9BC:D38E:7F57:5DE (talk) 11:44, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In what way, and which source says this? Pincrete (talk) 03:52, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/business/france-economy-macron-national-rally.html

pensions being indexed to inflation, encouraging businesses to raise wages 10% for people earning less than 5,000 euros a month, pledging to raise social spending, opposing Macron's retirement age raise ClaudeFrollo1831 (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere in that article does it say that they are socialists or left-wing, in WP terms that would be an WP:OR conclusion.

It does say that they were making lots of 'impossiblist' pledges to woo disgruntled working and lower middle class voters, including implying that cutting benefits and health care to migrants would somehow pay for all these pledges, which it simply wouldn't.

You may be right about them differing from US capitalism, but they operate in a very differnt benefit/pendion/services environment from the US. Pincrete (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

i definitely wouldn't call them socialistic, but in part due to the French economic paradigm, they are substantively to the economic left in American terms though perhaps on the economic right in French terms.

You are correct. ClaudeFrollo1831 (talk) 12:56, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Right-wing" added to infobox without consensus

The previous RFC clearly settled the issue, and as long as no new RFC has changed the situation, "right-wing" should be removed, in accordance with the French reliable sources. 2A01:E0A:A84:5C70:CDFD:69A1:66D2:11C4 (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like this has been addressed. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right wing populist versus far-right

I am by no means an expert on RN, but are we sure far-right is an accurate label as oppose to right wing populist? The latter doesn't seem to account for the ideological changes in the party versus the era of Jean Marie Le Pen's leadership in my opinion. Also, Reform UK is described as "right wing populist" on this site in its article page despite (at least economically) RN running to the left of Reform UK and certainly well to the left economically of both the Democratic and Republican parties. Additionally, as far as I am aware National Rally aren't proposing mass deportations whilst both Reform UK and the Republican Party have them as policy. National Rally also wants to stay in the EU whilst Reform is fiercely Eurosceptic.

ClaudeFrollo1831 (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reform UK is in a country where euroscepticism is fairly mainstream. Beyond that, French researchers have continuously identified the continuous links to the ultra-right (the revolutionary far-right groupings), of which one important group continues to supply members of National rally. Our opinion doesn't matter here, French political scientists, historians and sociologists opinions count. And there, even if some might diverge, there is a broad consensus to say National Rally doesn't respect republican principles (indivisibility, social politics, democracy and laicity) and is therefore extremist. The French political spectrum is largely to the left of other countries, but French researcher's opinions are our best bet here. 2A01:E0A:A84:5C70:4DB2:3827:ABDD:FA38 (talk) 16:01, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

just noting you’ve replied to a sock puppet Doug Weller talk 18:05, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

far right ?

can the national rally still really be classified as far right when they've moderated so much? to the point that most analysts consider their economic policies center-left (they literally voted for an increase in taxes with for example the COMMUNISTS. In terms of social issues they've considerably moderated too, nowadays their official programme can hardly be described as far right and many political analysts have started to question wether the party is truly far right. not to mention they repeatedly say that they aren't far right Venis067067067 (talk) 12:46, 18 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

As someone a) quite biased towards the left and b) who is by NO MEANS an expert on French politics, party president Bardella definitely appears to be rooted in the economic right. Not only has he recently met in a highly publicised lunch with the Mouvement des Entreprises de France, the largest employer federation in France, but he constantly tries to frame himself as pro-business.

The man says it himself: 'Je ne suis pas de gauche. Je n'ai pas l'entreprise honteuse', or 'I am not on the left. I am pro-business.' source

Not to mention the party's broad support for what seems to be austerity. source

Also LFI isn't a communist party, it follows democratic socialism. T ^{let's talk!} 19:02, 25 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Last RfC on this topic was held in 2024. If the party has seen considerable change in its ideological outlook, high-quality reliable sources stating that the party is no longer far-right should be presented on the talk page. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 25 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Vacant0. This comes up often enough that I think we should keep the RfC on the main talk page and not archive it. Newystats (talk) 04:23, 1 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Lead too long tag

Posting for the “lead too long” tag. It is quite sprawling and beyond general guidelines. We’re going to need to work on condensing it, I’ll look for some changes. Just10A (talk) 02:19, 5 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]