r/IsraelPalestine

I notice there is always this weird thing Muslims claim that Indians are bootlicking zionists who hate them and consider them as idol worshipers and filthy and Indians are pathetic for trying to align with Israelis

But by the same logic Palestinians and arabs are way more racist to Indians than Israelis so why should we support them. Infact Arabs are racist toward South Asian Muslims as well but still expect support from them

Much more anti Indians racism comes from Muslims world compared to Jewish world

So Why do they use this argument?

Israel was the victor in all five Arab-Israeli wars. Yet despite being the victor, it eventually handed over Gaza and parts of the West Bank for Palestinian self-rule and the possibility of a future Palestinian state. How many countries would be willing to give back territory they won in war, especially when their own country is already so small?

Even on security issues, lsrael used to show a surprising degree of leniency. Yahya Sinwar, for example, was released by Israel multiple times and even underwent brain tumor surgery in Israel while he was in prison. In 2011, lsrael traded more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for a single captured Israeli soldier. Even after winning every war, Israel has never expelled its two million Muslim citizens, nor has it demolished the mosque standing on the Temple Mount. Looking back, those decisions seem overly idealistic.

That's why, although Israel has become much more hardline on the Palestinian issue today, that shift is driven more by security concerns and hard-learned lessons than by traditional right-wing ideology. In many ways, lsraeli society still holds a lot of values that would be considered center-left or even left-leaning. The ancestors of these two million Muslim citizens of lsrael chose to stay in Israel rather than leave during the First Middle East War. They do not worry that the Israelis might kill or imprison them because of the war. They made the right choice.

Some Western countries that haven't experienced war on their own soil for decades are trending to the right these days. That makes Israel, a country that has lived with the reality of war for decades, all the more unusual for still having a left-wing tradition and support base.

Meanwhile, many Muslim societies are conservative on issues like religion, family values, and gender roles. That's why the alliance between Muslims and the Western left often feels unnatural. They stand together mainly because the left emphasizes inclusion and minority rights, not because they share the same core values.

I'm actually curious about this type of mentality. When it comes to discussing the topic of what's happening in Israel I take a neutral stance because essentially it's turned into a situation where both sides think they're the original inhabitants and the other are invaders. It's almost the spider man meme at this point, in that they all are native.

However my cousin (she's Jewish) who lives in Tel Aviv and works as a human rights lawyer has said there are increasingly radical takes by some ultra zionists who are almost borderline Jewish supremacists (that's how she puts it) that are calling to have Palestians either murdered or forcibly displaced to counties like Egypt or Jordan.

In my immediate family they think Israel should just kill everyone in the West Bank and Gaza and that almost made me vomit. My maternal grandma is a crypto Jew who's family fled Germany in the mid to late 1800s. When I did research into her family I found records of Jewish heritage (people in her family had the most stereotypical German Jewish names out there), but also found that she has no surviving family in mainland Europe. Her one third cousin who lives in Jerusalem actually survived being imprisoned in Dachau and her brother who lived in Poland died in Aushwitz. She said she had to wear the star of David in Dachau because "we" were Jews. Everyone in my family who were still in Germany and France either died in the Holocaust or survived and ended up in Israel.

For me saying that they should kill all of the Palestinians makes us no better than Hamas.