Talk:Zirconic

Zirconic has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 24, 2026	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 5, 2026.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Zirconic was a U.S. government effort to create reconnaissance satellites equipped with stealth technology?

GA review

Passed. A.Cython (talk) 00:51, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Zirconic/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Very Polite Person (talk · contribs) 17:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: A.Cython (talk · contribs) 21:50, 30 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will be working on this one. I need a week to prepare my comments.A.Cython (talk) 21:50, 30 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Let me know how I can help. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 04:59, 31 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's a comprehensive GA review. This will take some time to nibble through. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:09, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Overall I found the article very interesting since I did not know about the existence of the application of stealth technology in satellites. As such I believe the article has a lot of potential. Well done to Very Polite Person for being able to gather public sources and write the article despite the particular spy satellite program is secret. However, I felt that the article is not quite at the level of GA, as it reads a little underdeveloped and under-sourced. Moreover, I fill there were a couple missed opportunities to place the topic in a broader picture of why the stealth satellites were needed back in the Cold War and the needs of today. Given that it will require significant amount of work to address these concerns, I am inclined to fail the article so that the changes can be done without time pressure. Once the changes are implemented then it can be resubmitted as GAN, which I hope it will then pass (by another editor). However, if Very Polite Person feels that he/she can address my comments in a timely fashion and then I can keep the review on hold until the changes are done, provided there is some activity per week. So let me know how you want to proceed. Below I include my comments in detail (in no particular order):

If it's OK, I'd prefer to not have it just failed. The amount of work you're describing isn't very much at all. There's no real under-sourcing problem; I'd have to disagree on that. There's always a hard limit when writing about heavily classified topics, like this here. I scoured everything there was to find; this seemed to be it for "Zirconic" and associated code names that can be pulled on as threads to find info. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:42, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to keep the review on hold until you address the mentioned concerns. I will also try to help, if this is ok. A.Cython (talk) 00:19, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and please, edit my junk as if yours, cause it is. I get particular and fussy but an improvement is an improvement. Always welcome! — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 00:22, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Very Polite Person Do not panic. I made some changes to the article that I felt were necessary and hopefully you will find them helpful (note: I do not seek credit). However, please feel free to double check, reverse, change, add, or anything else. You are the expert on the topic and I am just learning.

My changes in a nutshell:

Reorganized the text by adding subsections and moving relevant information to paragraphs/sections that were thematically relevant.
Added a brief section on the historical "Background" that it should cover the "why". The aim was to supplement the first couple sentences in the section "Program history". The background text is mostly based on "Wizards of Langley" book and a little bit from the relevant wiki-pages. My intention was also to capture the escalation between US and Soviets regarding espionage, spy planes then satellites and then stealth satellites.
I added a few more sources. The Wired article contains information about how the amateurs were able to spot the stealth satellites, so you may want to read it.
Note that I moved some material from the history section to criticism. I also added a sentence based on the Wired article.
Finally, you mentioned at the lead that "Prowler" was part of the program, however, there is no mention in the main text. Either expand the relevant subsection that I created or remove it from the lead (and the subsection). Also, are there any sources that claim that Prowler is under the Zirconic project? If we cannot verify then it is better to remove it. A.Cython (talk) 05:44, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, ok.

1. I like it.

2. I'm unusually busy the next few days and already gave up the spare minutes I have today for the breaking stuff I jumped in to help on (in my contribs).

3. I think I can fill in the remaining gaps more cleanly now, I dig the structural change.

4. Between you and a few other things I've seen the past couple days [1], [2], I think I finally "get" EFN, SFN etc., and will be using it later in Field propulsion.

5. You rock. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 22:01, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Completed items

Acronyms, if you do not use them, then do not define them. You have several such acronyms so you need to remove them as they do not help the reader. Additional info about the use of acronyms see MOS:ACRO.

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all set -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1331500587&oldid=1313776105 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:14, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You do not need to cite every sentence with the same citation, as did in the paragraph starting The Misty satellite launched from.... Once at the end is sufficient unless you claim a new important fact. See also WP:CONSECUTIVECITE & WP:NOTCITE

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all set -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=next&oldid=1331500587 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:14, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

~~Consider adding a wikilink for anti-satellite weapon,~~ perhaps briefly explain what an anti-satellite system/weapon is and can do to a satellite as this will help the reader understand the need of stealth technology for satellites. I do not think most people are familiar with stealth technology for satellites.

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all set -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=next&oldid=1331506625 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:31, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Just to echo what I wrote below on the other bits, that's an easy thing I can knock out, for the latter part of this. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 00:24, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@A.Cython: this one's all set: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333766806&oldid=1333765676 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:13, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

~~Add a wikilink to signals intelligence.~~

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all set -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1331506625&oldid=1331503817 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:31, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

~~Dealing with Prowler~~

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all set -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333288099&oldid=1333287163 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 21:17, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Why stealth

The NRO considered stealth reconnaissance satellites as early as 1963. I feel that something is missing here, i.e., the motive. Why would the NRO and by extension the US wanted to have stealth reconnaissance satellites? Cold War? A brief comment about the motivation will help the reader understand the larger picture.

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all set to be even more clear here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1331515727&oldid=1331513831

I agree, I could have added that for the 1960s context of "why" at the time. We can't go past that without getting into WP:OR or WP:SYNTH country as the sources that mention Zirconic in context don't get into the weeds of what / why you'd want stealth satellite capability. But between that and the following sentence:

The NRO considered stealth reconnaissance satellites as early as 1963; at the time this was based on the assumption of continuing data collection efforts even if challenged by "an intense Soviet effort" to limit orbital photography coverage of their assets. A 1983 Department of Defense report noted that Soviet anti-satellite systems were operational and capable of targeting U.S. spacecraft in low Earth orbit, reinforcing the rationalefor a stealth imaging platform.

That should cover it? This wasn't really going to get much past this as there's a very hard limit to the amount of Zirconic related info--we're looking at all of it at this point. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:39, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is an improvement but still is a little abstract. Most younger readers will not understand the context of "Soviet anti-satellite systems" without a link to Cold War. I also disagree with the WP:OR interpretation. You do not need to write whole paragraphs on the Cold War topic, but placing your topic within the broader picture helps substantially the narrative... even half a sentence is sufficient with appropriate wikilinks. Note that there are several statements in "Wizards of Langley" that explicitly state the "Cold War" relevancy and motivation. For example,

p 265 There were several specific problems—technologies that had evolved in the Cold War were less useful with respect to post-Cold War targets and threats; there was poor interaction between the directorate and the agency’s intelligence and operations components (including between the Office of Technical Service and the Directorate of Operations);
p 286 Its development of collection systems, as well as its assorted collection and analysis activities, proved vital to the assessment of Soviet strategic capabilities and intentions during the Cold War.
front cover Four years later, the Soviets would shoot down pilot Francis Gary Powers and his U-2, thereby ceasing these missions. Within months, however, the CIA had another, and better, technical program in operation —the CORONA satellite. Throughout the Cold War and beyond, the CIA’s scientific wizards would continue to devise high-tech ways to collect and analyze information about potential adversaries.

The latter (also look at pages 18,22) is an amazing story that can greatly help the reader understand the motivation for stealth, i.e., the primary motivation was for the US to keep track of Soviet ICBM deployment. I am saying this because in the current version, the reader does not know why stealth was needed... why the US wanted the satellites, was it to take pictures of the beautiful Siberia landscapes? Do you see my point? Narrative-wise, there are some gaps and these gaps need to be tackled somehow. A.Cython (talk) 23:06, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I think I see what you mean. I have an allergy to going around the edges of topics for working on here, which is probably due to the way I've taken to editing WP:FRINGE adjacent things... I lock them down in such a skeletal factual way that there's nothing to further do. "Just the facts" as taken expressly from the source that mentions the subject/topic; it's somehow managed to make my edits to those 'sorts' of pages seemingly revert-proof. I suppose that minimalist paranoia started to spill into other pages by default.

Plus, your writing the phrase younger readers made me realize I was taking cultural context for granted. "Hide shit from Soviets" <- uh, yeah, sounds right for time and place, I'd say. Someone aged 15: "What's a Soviet?" — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 00:17, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Bingo! Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, where someone anywhere around the world needs to grasp and understand any particular topic even in the current case this is a top secret satellite program. This reader may have not being exposed to all the Cold War books, stories, movies etc, so the article needs to cover briefly the relevant concepts. IMO the article at GA status should be able answer the immediate question of why the US wanted to look over the Soviets and needed stealth even for its satellites? I am sure the authors in these books provide sufficient statements for us to write something without violating WP:OR or WP:FRINGE. Again we do not need to overdo it, only the minimum. A.Cython (talk) 00:33, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think that with the material added in the background section the reader can have a good understanding on why stealth technology was needed for satellites. A.Cython (talk) 04:59, 17 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wizards of Langley book

You mention the book "The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology" but I failed to find it in the sources. Instead, you used this web-page that contains snippets of text from the book. You should replace the website page with the book as a source, along with the relevant pages.

I actually did not use the book itself as a source, only the Richelson shorter/abridged version that was the online article. This passage here in the Zirconic article was sourced on purpose to Washington Post as tertiary sourcing for that: Jeffrey T. Richelson first disclosed the Zirconic program in his 2002 book, The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology. So we have Richelson (a clear easy SME in the topic) reporting on what the CIA et al are up to, which is then in turn reported on and acknowledged by the Washington Post asserting that Richelson got credit for/did disclose the program in the first place.

From this one, the Washington Post has the passage (page 2 on the archival URL split): The existence of the maiden stealth satellite launched under the Misty program was first reported by Jeffrey T. Richelson in his 2001 book "The Wizards of Langley: Inside the CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology." That's what I hung that passage on here, as it was just the chronological earliest known finding of the program's existence.

The book has: The program was so secret that there was a special compartment, designated ZIRCONIC, established within the already highly secret BYEMAN Control System to designate information relating to stealth satellites. Within ZIRCONIC, yet another term, NEBULA, designated stealth satellite technology. on page 263 (Kindle ed). The book is not just about this at all, but various programs. There's a few more bits and bobs around the program in question, but nothing that's not in the web-based version shorter version that I used for accessibility here.

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: based on that, this one seems OK, since adding the book as a source would just add an extra rider [cite] object. But if you think it needs it, I can add it on top of the Washington Post? For Zirconic, the bits we have are all that's in the book anyway? — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:25, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sorry, got sidetracked hard a bit with IRL and then working on Killing of Renee Good. This one should be set: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333287163&oldid=1332586064 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 21:11, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Finding Misty

Misty 2 was visually detected by amateur observers within eight months of launch I suppose, it was not as stealthy, but why? I think some clarification is needed. I remember that the early generation of stealth bombers could be tracked by looking at the heat trail of their turbines. I suppose there is a catch here as well.

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: still looking at this part. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:23, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that some of my questions may not have an answer. I just want to make sure we cover all the different perspectives. It is just an obvious question and it is good for us to try to see if there is an answer, but we do not want to lose sleep over it. A.Cython (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think here now? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333768936&oldid=1333472258 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:27, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

also note that the source says making it highly likely that they had found Misty 2. "highly likely" is not certainty as presented in the article, meaning that there is a possibility that the amateurs may have not detected Misty 2. You should rewrite it to better reflect what the source says.

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all set. The full Richelson passage here is:

Amateur space observers had detected an object in a much lower orbit—between 434 and 558 miles—that they associated with the May 22 launch, making it highly likely that they had found Misty 2.

So I tweaked this here thus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1331513831&oldid=1331506716 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:23, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Satellite details

The section "Satellite details" is a mixed bag and a major source of my concern. It is not clear what its main theme really is. Is it about the specifications and capabilities of the satellites or is it about a bit about the history/performance of the satellite program? As a reader I felt that in this section a whole bunch of info was thrown together. It was an awkward reading. I would suggest to clean up the section, ideally by breaking into two sections. The first one to be on technical aspects and the second one to be about the performance (positive and negative) as well as its legacy/future (see also comparison to SpaceX comment above if relevant). You do not have to follow this structure, but something is required. For example having a section of 'Criticism' might be helpful, e.g., a multi billion program that amateurs can easily detect it? Having access to the book "Wizards of Langley" and additional sources could help expand or fill in the gaps.
- From a quick look I found the following that you may find useful (or not):
  - Secrets from the Black Vault (2020)
  - Military Space Power (2010)
  - Spy Satellites and Other Intelligence Technologies That Changed History (2012)
  - Design and contact force analysis of the on-orbit assembly interface for stealth satellites While this is technical paper, the first three paragraphs of the introduction may be helpful.
  - Stealth Satellites, Trust and Deterrence

The above mentioned sources may help you of also to improve the structure of the paragraphs. Note that each paragraph should have a central theme/idea and its sentences explain to the reader this theme/idea. I think some of the paragraphs are a little underdeveloped in this regard, i.e., they read as a collection of information statements. Perhaps with the additional sources, it might be possible to develop them into a more cohesive narrative driven structure.

: still looking at this part. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 19:56, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@A.Cython: what do you think of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333290939&oldid=1333290485 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 21:36, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few changes. Most people would not know what a "black satellite" is, requiring a definition. I kept at a different paragraph as it did not quite matched with the previous one. Let me know is the change is ok with you as well. This addition addresses the way the amateur sleuths were able to detect the satellites. A.Cython (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Open items

2000s vs newer sources

Most sources are from early 2000s. Are there any more recent sources? The reason that I am asking is: how is the en-mass deployment of satellites (specifically SpaceX) is related with the current subject. If there is a link between them (even as competitor), should it not mentioned?
- It seems to be the case, here, and here

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: That would be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH, surely, to integrate that? Based on available public data/WP:RS, there is no known continuation or descendent directly of Zirconic. Those are unrelated modern programs; those articles mention nothing to do with Zirconic. Zirconic ran basically from the 1960s-1990s in R&D, dev, and deployment terms. The story simply ended. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:09, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I am not asking for WP:OR and I understand the limited sources due to secrecy of the issue. However, the particular project did not come out of the blue. As I mentioned above, the US was interested in stealth satellited because it wanted to keep track of Soviet ICBM capabilities and because it could no longer fly aircraft over Soviet airspace. So there was something before and probably there is something after the program. It was replaced by something with a similar function. Maybe not, but I am asking. A.Cython (talk) 23:11, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You know, like I just wrote, I think I was getting too stuffy lately. I'm wrapping up on Amrom Harry Katz right now, and the natural segueway from that to modern times is toward Sentient (intelligence analysis system), which I also wrote (it's ideas are basically the modern turbo equivalent of what Katz lobbied we needed). I think I can make this work with just a few sentences. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 00:20, 7 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The Space-X is just general secret sat stuff (NRO, etc, NGA I've seen implied, but who can tell from RS). The core throughline would seem to be stealth satellites here, which is thin on news. It (largely) jumps from early 2000s Misty/Zirconic news to odd science arguably non-RS, and then this small set:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333945916&oldid=1333830970

See: Zirconic#Later_stealth_satellite_research

@A.Cython: is that what you were thinking for this bit, along those lines? — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:48, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This seems good enough. We need to be careful not to overstep and remain faithful to the sources. I will read the article during the weekend. A.Cython (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you'd told me that from when I nominated the article to now, it'd basically double in size, I would have said "nah". Thank you so much. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 00:40, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sat types

Now that I have read the article a couple of times, I think you need to explain to the reader the difference between a conventional reconnaissance/spy satellite and a stealth satellite. Explain better the need of stealth not only the original motivation but also the current motivation. The article by Richardson, Doug (1 May 2005). "Space is No Sanctuary" has a subsection titled "Is stealth the answer", which might be relevant here as well as a couple of the subsections prior to this.

: still looking at this part. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 19:56, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@A.Cython: does this tie off this part with the edit? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1333769528&oldid=1333768936 — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 17:32, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Earwig's Copyvio Detector did not find significant copyright issues (~19% mostly on technical jargon/expressions)
Figures look relevant and have no copyright issues.

Evaluation

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
A.Cython (talk) 04:43, 6 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@@Very Polite Person: I saw that you made significant changes, the article is in much better shape from a quick look. Once you finish with changes (make sure that there are no citation needed tags and every paragraph ends with a citation), please ping me or write at my talk page. I will reread the article to make final comments/changes and provide the final assessment. Thank you for doing the changes in a timely fashion. A.Cython (talk) 18:46, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your patience too, I really thought this was "thisclose" but you found narrative gaps I completely overlooked! Another day or three of nudging and it should be set. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

After a major rewrite by Very Polite Person, I think the article has improved considerably and I feel it has reached GA status. I do feel there is room for improvement, but this can be done in the future as more public information becomes known and different editors can have a closer look some of the technical details. Again, great work in implementing the suggested changes in a challenging topic. A.Cython (talk) 00:51, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Darth Stabro (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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STS-36 deployed a stealth satellite under the Zirconic program.

... that Zirconic was a U.S. government effort to create reconnaissance satellites equipped with stealth technology?

Source: 1- https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB143/index.htm
Source: 2- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zirconic#cite_note-Richelson_NRO_2004-12-14-7

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Opposition to devolution in the United Kingdom

Improved to Good Article status by Very Polite Person (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

— Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 23:54, 26 January 2026 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough, long enough, project itself is interesting so even a basic summary meets DYKInt. Two concerns. First, there is an unattributed argument that needs attribution. Second, the use of the image doesn't seem to work. The caption is too long for the main page, and the link to the program isn't easy to summarize in a more succinct way. I think this would work better without the image. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:54, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: - already got ya! --> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zirconic&diff=1335596290&oldid=1335595331

I'm totally ok with no image. That's the best we got, so none is better than meh. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 02:59, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Very Polite Person. I've reworded it slightly to use the active voice and describe Keefe for the lay reader. Hook is good to go, minus the image. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet, thanks, and great edit! — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs) 03:07, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]