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The school of thought and its subsidiaries are called "Madhyamaka"; those who follow it are called "Mādhyamikas."

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@User:Javierfv1212 This is way too much for a single edit. Note that the edit includes deleting a significant amount of content, too; so the amount of new material is probably well in excess of 37,000 characters. Naturally, with such a large edit, it is impossible to do justice to the change in a normal edit summary.

Please break the edit down into a series of simple changes that can each be adequately described in an edit summary, so that reviewers can see what it is that you are doing. Broadly speaking, I think that means that each diff can be reviewed on a single screen (i.e. without scrolling); and that a reviewer can get an overview of what changes you are making simply by reading your edit summaries.

Thanks. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, I will make several smaller changes instead. Thanks for the heads up!

Javierfv1212, I appreciate your recent edit. It looks easily reviewable, so thank you. MrDemeanour (talk) 17:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources in need of clarification

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I've been working on cleaning up this article, and there are some problems with the references that I'm hoping someone more familiar with the subject matter can help with:

  • We have citations for two editions of Williams' Buddhist Thought: A Complete Introduction to the Indian Tradition - 2000, and 2002. Same publisher, but different page counts. Can we pick one edition, and get all of the page numbers lined up?
  • There are bare shorthand references for Bronkhorst 2009. What book is this?
  • There are references to Brunnholzl 2001. Is this an earlier edition of Brunnholzl 2004, and if so, can we standardize?

If I find more issues, I'll add them here. pauli133 (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Williams: I'd keep both sources; what matter si verifiability.
  • Bronkhorst 2009: Buddhist Teaching in India. Simon and Schuster (I guess)
  • Brunnhozl 2001: probably Brunnholzl 2004. The two truths themselves are therefore just a practical tool used to teach others, but do not exist within the actual meditative equipoise that realizes the ultimate.<ref>Brunnholzl, 2001, p. 75.</ref> diff; let's ask User:Javierfv1212.
Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, it was Brunnholzl 2004 Center of the Sunlit Sky, which says:

Thus, the presentation of the two realities is in itself an aspect of the bodhisattvas’ skill in means, but within this educational approach, neither of these two realities is “better” or more real than the other. The reason for this is that all presentations and practical applications of these two can only happen within the framework of seeming reality itself, since they only need to be taught to those who have an essentially dualistic state of mind. As such, these two cannot but be mutually dependent and dualistic, since it is impossible to talk about,reflect on, or meditate on the one without the other. Likewise, there is no way to proceed on the path to “the ultimate” without using and eventually letting go of seeming reality. On the other hand, within the meditative equipoise of those who directly perceive what is called ultimate reality, all reference points of a dualistic mind have completely subsided. Thus, any arguments about what is seeming, ultimate, real, or false are by definition simply irrelevant to this perceptual perspective. The Sutra That Teaches the Unity of the Nature of the Expanse of Dharmas says: O Mañjusri, when the expanse of dharmas is taken as the source of valid cognition, there is neither seeming reality nor ultimate reality.

You can verify it here: https://wisdomofcompassionblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/brunnholzl_center-of-the-sunlit-sky.pdf ☸Javierfv1212☸ 00:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DOCTCAPS

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According to MOS:DOCTCAPS it would appear that madhyamaka should not be capitalized. Teishin (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @VerdictByLogic, I see that you have blocked the entire article (except for the lead and etymology section). This is excessive. If there is some material that violates Wikipedia's copyright policy, then surely just that material can be removed, or perhaps rewritten. There is no need to block the entire article. Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! I have self reverted. the Svabhava section is having the copyright issue and The two truth section as well as it is copied from https://buddhism.redzambala.com/schools/madhyamika/2-philosophy-madhyamika.html. you may even check with the tool as it shows Violation suspected 97.5% . Thus it is necessary. Thank you VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 17:44, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It seems there has likely been some kind of a mistake. Can you say what material in particular is in violation? Surely, it can't be that nearly 100% of those sections violated copyright. Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:51, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I replied you ! - the Svabhava section is having the copyright issue and The two truth section as well. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 17:55, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan, @Javierfv1212, @Skyerise, can you guys help? Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Also I feel like let an administrator demonstrate on this issue and then he can finalize the fact. Till then, let the page be as it is. @Javierfv1212 did this on Sept 5, 2018. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 17:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
This is false. That website copied my wikipedia entries, not the other way around! Javier F.V. 18:00, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Great ! even I thought the same thing that it can be a reverse, but I also double checked with Wayback machine - https://web.archive.org/web/20240701000000*/https://buddhism.redzambala.com/schools/madhyamika/2-philosophy-madhyamika.html . you may see the results. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 18:02, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Wayback machine goes back to 2021. I made those edits earlier in 2018.... Javier F.V. 18:07, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes ! I am sorry for the issue happend you may happily revert it to the older version. lemme remove the copyright issue first. Nice to have the discussion. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 18:24, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
you may revert to the older version (−169,787) metioning these bytes. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 18:27, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I specifically wrote those entries from scratch and did not copy anything. You have made good faith a mistake here and this needs to be corrected. Javier F.V. 18:05, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You may check it line to line. I did ! thus I am reacting on it. Also per WP:COPYVIO Wikipedia:Copyrights you may see these as well. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 18:10, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a note at the top of this talk page alerting other editors to potential copyright issues, particularly regarding backwards copying, where content originally from Wikipedia may have been copied elsewhere and then reintroduced without proper attribution. Thank you. VerdictByLogic - Let's Discuss 18:46, 7 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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