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Fringe?

See Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Jewish_lobby that was mentioned in the recently removed tags. Restoring since it looks like the concerns have not been sdressed. Sjö (talk) 19:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion there does not explain why it is "Fringe theory" (the noticeboarsd statute says "Fringe theories noticeboard - dealing with all sorts of pseudoscience") hence posted on wrong noticeboard. I am removing the tag. If there are real objections, the article content must be discussed in article talk page in the first place. - Altenmann >talk 04:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OR

@Lumbering in thought: The WP:ONUS is on you to change WP:CONSENSUS. Provide RS that identify Democratic Majority for Israel as the Jewish lobby, that the Jewish lobby pursues policies "favorable to diaspora Jews—as opposed to Jews broadly", and states that the Jewish lobby take positions "by dint of residing predominantly in the Jewish diaspora." This is OR (and wrong). Adding relevant tags while this is worked out. You are seeking to add material that is wrong and doesn't have consensus. Longhornsg (talk) 05:49, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The intro

Lumbering in thought was subsequently warned at WP:AE for adding unsourced information to this article and restoring it after it was challenged.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Everything was explained in the edit summary. I already had the attempt to establish a pattern of my behavior on my Talk page, so why don't we start with @Longhornsg as per Special:Diff/1318135022. Lumbering in thought (talk) 05:49, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is explained in the edit summary. It's WP:OR because you're just making up content. And instead of providing reliable sources, you instead attack an editor? Longhornsg (talk) 05:54, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An accusation of harassment in a contentious topic doesn't seem good practice. Anyway, you made a new point here

Provide RS that identify Democratic Majority for Israel as the Jewish lobby,

This is not in conflict with the proceeding paragraph.

The term Jewish lobby is often conflated with the term Israel lobby, to which some commentators argue against. While there is overlap in membership between the Jewish lobby and the Israel lobby, the two terms are not interchangeable, as the Jewish lobby is defined by its ethnic makeup, while the Israel lobby is defined by its political agenda. Lumbering in thought (talk) 05:59, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the same point now 3 times. You've added WP:OR. Sources? Longhornsg (talk) 06:02, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, you reverted it to something that by my logic is already in line with my point. the Jewish lobby are individuals and groups predominantly in the Jewish diaspora is in the article because that informs where their primary favorability, and thus only loyalty is. If any sect of people acted disloyally, that would be breaking the expectation to not have Dual_loyalty, and for this case Dual_loyalty#Jewish_Believers, which I shouldn't have to source other than maybe a Wikilink. Lumbering in thought (talk) 06:24, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTSOURCE. Your personal opinions are irrelevant. We go by what's supported by WP:RS. Last time I'll ask before moving to another venue for this conversation. What sources, either in the article or ones that you provide and add to the article, support these assertions you have added to the lede:

Democratic Majority for Israel as part of the Jewish lobby
The Jewish lobby's positions are "by dint of residing primarily in the Jewish diaspora"
The Jewish lobby "primarily promote policies favorable to diaspora Jews—as opposed to Jews broadly."

Longhornsg (talk) 06:30, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bungying back in, I believe you are the one committing WP:BLUD, thus, clarity is the problem. My latest edit pretty much is unassailable:

The Jewish lobby comprises individuals and groups who seek to promote Jewish values, and by dint of residing predominantly in the Jewish diaspora, have a predisposition to primarily seek to promote policies favorable to diaspora Jews—as opposed to Jews broadly—, and accordingly oppose those they see as hostile to each. Lumbering in thought (talk) 01:57, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]