Talk:Inchoate offense

Citation needed citation needed CITATION NEEDED FETISHIST

Citations are not needed, grow up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.224.36 (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Far too much of this is tagged; it's unaesthetic as well as entirely unnecesary. That "offense" is an alternative spelling for "offence" is probably not something that needs a citation. 68.84.224.36 (talk) 19:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But a lot of it is - e.g. murder's normal mens rea in England is death or GBH, but for an attempt it can only be an intention to kill (R v Whybrow). Citations are needed here as a lot of this is either assumption or jurisdiction-specific. -- Graius (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Burglary

Would this be considered in this category? Bearian 16:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not even close 68.84.224.36 (talk) 09:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain - burglary doesn't even remotely fit into the definition. Burglary and, for example, felony murder are not inchoate offenses. Anyone who thought that would utterly misunderstand what an inchoate offense is. I am sorry I was not so helpfully descriptive of why burglary isn't even close to an inchoate offense before; that has been corrected now, so no one will fall into such an awful error in the future. 68.84.224.36 (talk) 19:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Linguistics

Currently the article includes a section on "linguistics" with several subsections, discussing the grammatical forms used to describe inchoate offenses, and the section is tagged with a request for expansion. I am, instead, deleting it altogether. Discussion of cognate accusatives and the imperative "case" [sic] contributes nothing to an article about law. --208.76.104.133 (talk) 06:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment: Addition of a Type of Inchoate Offenses section

Currently this article lacks some important information on inchoate offenses. These three major types being attempt, conspiracy, and solicitation. I recently wrote and published an addition on these types of offense, with citations. Note that this is a start class article, so I thought such addition would be important to understand the different types of offenses that are inchoate. This section that I have written was promptly reverted. I also believe there is no justification to use a revert given that my edit was not malicious or disruptive. I will admit that it is a sizable edit, and so may require some improvement. However, according to the editing policy, given that I had reliable citations for this entire edit, I don't think that removal was justified. Copy editing maybe, but not removal.

The edit is included below:

Types of inchoate offenses

Inchoate crimes fall under the three major offenses of[14]:

Attempt

Main article: Attempt

The inchoate crime of attempt is the attempt is the incomplete form of a crime. Attempt generally requires that the accused have the ability to imminently commit the offense or was in the process of committing the offense with the ability to complete the offense almost immediately, and was interrupted against their will.[15] If the defendant voluntarily abandoned the crime, they may claim that it falls under the abandonment defense (also known as the voluntary abandonment defense).[16]

Conspiracy

Main article: Conspiracy (crime)

The inchoate crime of conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime, in which at least one of the parties took action to further the agreement. Conspiracy also involves the planning between those engaged in the conspiracy to commit the offense, and that at least one of the parties took an overt act in order to further the plans for the commission of the crime.[17][18]

Solicitation

Main article: Solicitation

The inchoate crime of solicitation is the request from one person or group of people to another person or group of people with the intent of persuading them to commit a crime, frequently involving financial incentive for the commission of the crime.[19] Even if the person solicited refuses or is unable to carry out the offense, the act of solicitation is still a criminal offense, unlike in a conspiracy, in which all parties involved are willing to carry out the offense.[20] Furthermore, the act of making the request is considered solicitation, and neither party needs to take an action beyond the solicitation for the act to still be considered a criminal offense (in contrast to a conspiracy, which requires an overt act).[21]

[14] "inchoate offense". LII / Legal Information Institute. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[15] "attempt". LII / Legal Information Institute. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[16] "The Abandonment Defense in Criminal Law Cases". Justia. 2018-04-25. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[17] "Conspiracy Laws". Justia. 2018-04-25. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[18] "conspiracy". LII / Legal Information Institute. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[19] "solicitation". LII / Legal Information Institute. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[20] "Solicitation to commit a crime | EBSCO Research Starters". www.ebsco.com. Retrieved 2025-07-22.

[21] "Solicitation of a Crime - Legal Elements, Defenses, and Penalties". Justia. 2018-04-25. Retrieved 2025-07-22. Thewikiman24 (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]