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Suicide boothSuicide booth was merged into this article. The discussion was closed on 18 November 2019 with a consensus to merge. The original page is now a redirect to this article. Its history now serves to provide attribution for the content in this article, and it must not be deleted as long as this article exists.

Questions?

I'm interested in what questions the Deliverance machine asks. Whether they're simply to excuse the creator of liability, or whether they check the sanity/etc of the user. What seems to be a blood pressure related device is included in the suitcase, does this measure real-time response to the questions in any way?

Surprised more details aren't noted with an issue like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.230.223 (talk) 10:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The questions are roughly as follows:

Are you aware of what is about to happen?
Are you certain you are aware of what is about to happen?
Do you want to be administered a lethal dose of medicine?

I will update this when I can refer to my notes

Source: Deliverance machine is on display at MONA, Hobart. MacMacca'sDeepFryerKid (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

The articles Suicide bag and Euthanasia device are very similar in subject and partly copies of each other. I suggest to merge these two into Euthanasia device. Night of the Big Wind _talk 11:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanatron

Uhm. With two deaths administered by the device, how can there be a "usually"?

Two deaths were assisted by means of this device, which delivered the euthanizing drugs mechanically through an IV. ... Death usually occurred within two minutes.

Wassermelone89 (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it is a bit odd. With two cases, it is none, one, or two. Half, all or both are also valid possibilities. Most can only mean both, which is also all. Why beat around the bush? Just say both times. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 10:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edits and clarification.

I have made some edits to clarify some vague and misleading text on the physiological effects of helium and nitrogen that are well known, recorded and common knowledge to technical and commercial divers. This is not the first time I have corrected this article, and on previous occasions I have been reverted for no good reason. If you want to improve the content, make sure that the changes are technically correct and actually improve the reader's understanding. Bear in mind that a source is not necessarily always clear, accurate, or even correct, and we should not make inaccurate or nonsensical claims just because the source says something ambiguous and the editor does not understand the topic well enough to express it better. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 11:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Ongoing debate on the ethics..."

Sources to make the "Ethics" section which is mentioned briefly in the lead but missing entirely in the article:

Pragmatic: Peter Hudson et al. Palliat Support Care (October 2015). "Physician-assisted suicide and/or euthanasia: Pragmatic implications for palliative care [corrected]". PubMed. 5: 1399–409. doi:10.1017/S1478951515000176. PMID 25670161.
Russel D. Ogden (22 March 2010). "The Debreather: A Report on Euthanasia and Suicide Assistance Using Adapted Scuba Technology". Taylor & Francis. 34 (4): 291–317. doi:10.1080/07481181003613792. (subscription required)

Suicide booths

Morality: Thomas Donaldson (20 October 2023). "Suicide booths and assistance without moral expression: a response to Braun". Journal of Medical Ethics. 50 (10): 718–720. doi:10.1136/jme-2023-109623. (subscription required) (in response to,) Esther Braun (15 November 2023). "Reasons for providing assisted suicide and the expressivist objection: a response to Donaldson". Journal of Medical Ethics. 50 (10): 721–722. doi:10.1136/jme-2023-109697. (subscription required)

~2025-36240-70 (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Banner, you still have not explained why my edits are no improvement and now you are causing disruption beyond the Wikipedia:Point. I will make a report to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring ~2025-36240-70 (talk) 15:00, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OVERLINKING, no sources required in the lead etc. Trying block-threats is not a good idea. The Banner talk 15:08, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You went to request a Wikipedia:Requests for page protection Increase because it was that severe of an issue yet reverted my edits because of overlinking? I can't tell if you are parodying yourself seriously. Sources are not required in the lead yes, but they should be sourced elsewhere and if it is challengeable, it should be sourced. If you want to fix it, add sourcing then, the Wikipedia:Onus is on you. You are not going to go very far with this defense. I already have evidence of you being more disruptive than me. I only call block-threats when they are required to discipline (but in most cases avoid actually reporting them to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents) as well as necessitate more constructive behavior, which you clearly never had a history of doing. ~2025-36240-70 (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your scare tactics won't work on me. The Banner talk 15:36, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided sourcing here unlike your reverting showing disruptive behavior instead. You are to add sources in the body if you want to; generally, yes, such an article that covers 'kinds' of devices do not require sources in the lead, but a claim that a euthanasia device facillitates terminally ill people dying requires a source for it to be representative in the body.
That being said I have removed the fact tag, but it still needs to be clear in the article that it's an occurence; it's not common knowledge, it needs sourcing and evidence of it's occurence. You are only reverting whole edits instead of selectively making the changes you don't want to see, this is textbook disruption. If you think there is a problem, fix it rather than vaguely make complaints. ~2025-36240-70 (talk) 15:57, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]