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Ruling on Colorado/Trump
[edit]Mr. Kavanaugh forget to insert the word eligible when expressing the people should have a choice. Mr. Trump should be ineligible due to the many choices he made to change the election results in this great country of democracy. 174.124.223.4 (talk) 18:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Investigation into Kavanaugh by FBI was corrupted by Trump
[edit]The report from a member of the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., criticized the FBI for not investigating more fully the claims of Kavanaugh’s alleged sexual misconduct described by two women. Kavanaugh has denied the allegations. Whitehouse’s report said the FBI didn’t investigate thousands of tips it received, but passed them along to the White House. “The supplemental background investigation was flawed and incomplete, as the FBI did not follow up on numerous leads that could have produced potentially corroborating or otherwise relevant information,” the report said. While “President Trump publicly claimed the FBI had ‘free rein’ to take any investigative steps it deemed necessary, the Trump White House exercised total control over the scope of the investigation, preventing the FBI from interviewing relevant witnesses and following up on tips,"the report concluded.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/10/08/sheldon-whitehouse-trump-accusations-brett-kavanaugh-fbi-investigation/75575277007/ 2601:280:8100:9850:6986:7402:30AB:268F (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely relevant for Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. May not be relevant here. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- This article mentions the contemporaneous questions about the FBI investigation. It's reasonable for that passage to at least mention the subsequent revelations on that subject, with a wikilink to a more detailed discussion at Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination#Supplemental FBI investigation. JamesMLane t c 19:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- it’s completely relevant to both. this entry titled FBI investigation!
- as is, this entry — in the absence of any other a entry with a title involving the FBI — gives what is now, by error of emission that only came to light in a US Court proceeding a week ago, a complete mischaracterisation of the FBI investigations into Brett Kavanaugh at the time of his nomination by former President Trump to the US Congress.
- additional is the fact that much more may have come to light of Trump had not effectively shutdown the FBI investigations and lead gathering from a tip-off line.
- the question for you is how are these recent revelations coming out of a US court not relevant to this entry when it’s :
- the only one on the Brett Kavanaugh page, or at least the Nomination to SC section with “FBI investigation” in the title.
- doubly so given that, as it standa today, this entry makes an unsubtle and direct implication that FBI found nothing of merit in any of the many public accusations and private tipoffs to FBI of statutory rape, violence related federal crimes, sexual predation (goes to character as well as criminality), a habit of D&D behaviour resulting in these crimes in his “salad days”
- this is all was lodged against Trumps preferred candidate (on potentially many still-unknown, un-investigated matters) therefore it goes directly to Brett Kavanaugh’s suitability or unsuitability to sit on one of the most powerful institutions of nation and state power in the USA.
- that Trump choose someone who had recently made clear in a legal opinion that he would drastically increase Presidential powers and immunity in USA and then in court tendered Federal evidence Trump acted as political fixer to effectively shutdown potential damming investigations only just begun by the FBI at his own request is nothing but damming in itself. it has immediate relevance to this entry about his nomination to Congress by Trump for the SOCUS, and really shed the entire page of “(curated) facts” on Brett Kavanaugh’s wikipedia page in a new light
- that trump also effectively got FBI to hoover up all potential incriminating accusations against his preferred candidate and then asked them to direct the file to the White House, prevented any part of the justice seeing any of it such a pivotal moment vis a vis his nomination to SCOTUS, potentials giving him huge leverage over Brett Kavanaugh a sC Judge to be in ways Trump has shown he’s not above abusing (almost on the daily according to many former colleagues and staff that Trump himself appointed) makes this entry completely misleading.
- the misleading nature of this entry is like this: Reporting the 1% we now know of the FBIs nomination precipitated process of investigation that’s arguably favorable towards Brett Kavanaugh and Donald Trump while omitting the remaining 99% of the story now in public domain with substantive evidence.
- i’m sure that inaccuracy or bais was ever the motivation for this entry or it’s title. however, we now know with the weight of Court tendered evidence that this entry on the FBI Investigation into BK has become wildly misleading by weight of omission. only in the last week has it become apparent. but non the less that is the public state of knowledge today. this knowledge points to the fact that this entry isn’t just bad today, it was (apparently) so badly written as to preclude fact that we now know to be true. Those facts include the following: a) the FBI was instructed to setup a character investigation into BK beyond what they might usually do. b) this was in the context of many in Congress unimpressed and what must be an unprecedented level of accusations from a range of credible and unmotivated people against BK as being unsuitable for the role of SCOTUS Judge. c) the broad mandate for FBI’s investigations were started in a very public way and shutdown behind closed doors by the POTUS. d) the FBI got shutdown in their preliminary investigations, no evidence seems to have been collected against BK by the FBI. e) the FBI ran an advertised tip-off line and collected a lot of accusations credible enough to pass them to the White House. f) Trump exploited the concern over his powers for what are transparently personal motivations to get a dirt file assembled on BK but cunningly played the FBI so it never could get to the point where anything FBI investigated could come back to bite either of them in public. in private it gave the POTUS incredible leverage over Kavanhaugh at the point of the nomination in soliciting any quid pro quo. g) whether or not Trump may have at some point intended to use this dirt file as leverage over BK prior to nomination being passed by congress or just as insurance a few years or two decades later when Trump is facing serious felony convictions (as we’ve seen SCOTUS intervene with radical interpretations of constitutional law in existing trump trials); it’s an abuse of process and power of office by Trump. the question becomes why would he bother and how does that reflect well on BK as a man of good character suitable for the job? if or when Trump may have sough a favour is a matter of opinion but there’s a lot of character evidence around both of them in the last year of Federal and State prosecutions against Trump. that i’m swayed by the excessive activist interpretations that conveniently rise to rescue Trump numerous times in the last year as a civilian being prosecuted for very serious crimes against of state As to Trump’s reputation, how many former staff chosen and appointments to very senior roles by Trump as President who once were loyal defenders of his excesses now actively warn US voters about how corrupt the man is. as high as his former VP down to ex-lovers who he cheated on his wife with. half the Trump white house and top brass military no longer serving are warning about his bad character. that Trump would use the FBI to effectively bury broad and very serious public concerns about his preferred nomination to the SCOTUS to me is very small potatoes in comparison. that’s he’d consider using a dirt file he had no legitimate reason to come into possession of is to me obvious.. it gave him leverage over BK and in effect potentially the entire SCOTUS. also his ongoing career and life out of jail if the accusations were investigated and the evidence come to light in publicly. . don’t forget if Trump ordered the FBI to investigate its leads or even just not actively block them from doing so, he’d potentially have startes the wheels turning in a process that not only would have embarrassed himself and Kavanagh, potentially Kavanagh out of his existing job and potentially landed him in jail for a serious term or many terms. until th e investigation continues, we will never know. the Democrats under Biden or Harris have been and will continue to be unlikely to restart that FBI investigation process unless a judge in some other court formally requests it. the FBI have much greater investigative powers in many ways than a DA,
- There’s.literally no excuse for not rewriting the title and content of this section around his Nomination to SCOTUS, the entry of his decisions as a SCOTUS, and specifically the only entry around the FBI investigation into him at the time of his nomination or immediately prior to it.
- all we have here is one potentially fraudulent accusation against him (or retracted under some kind of coercive force once her name became public domain, we’ve seen how motivated MAGAs can get towards violence and harm occasionally). it’s less than 1% of the FBI story vis a vis Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination. WideEyedPupil (talk) 07:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
The article already says Democrats called the FBI investigation incomplete, a "farce", a "sham" and "a horrific cover-up" that omitted key witnesses at the White House's direction. There's very little point adding yet another Dem saying the same thing William M. Connolley (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2025
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Add mentions of Brett Kavanaugh in Epstein emails being described as ‘reliable’ by Jefferey Epstein ~2025-43974-25 (talk) 15:01, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:22, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- As far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein has been dead since 2019 and can't currently describe anything. Dimadick (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- So? The OP's point is still valid. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:48, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- As far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein has been dead since 2019 and can't currently describe anything. Dimadick (talk) 19:13, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
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Change "one of whom later recanted her story" to "one anonymous". According to the USA Today reference, the allegation was never recanted, only a claim of being the author of the anonymous letter. Mevsherd (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
- Not acting on this yet, but I took a look at the source, which confusingly says,
I don't understand how you can both deny being the author, and recant (which implies authorship) at the same time. That combined with the crucial punctuation error means I don't think this is a usable source for this statement at all, and I'm inclined to just remove the mention, period. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:05, 25 February 2026 (UTC)After she was tracked down and interviewed by Senate investigators, the woman recanted and said she was not, in fact. the author and had never met Kavanaugh.
- I don't understand what this means. "This edit request has been answered. Set the
|answered=parameter to no to reactivate your request." The article suggests the person making the allegation retracted it, which isn't what happened. Mevsherd (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
- I don't understand what this means. "This edit request has been answered. Set the
Why was my edit on this reverted, without explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mevsherd (talk • contribs) 01:45, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- User:StalkerFishy reverted your edit; perhaps they can explain? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:48, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- I only reverted the original unexplained changes. I am open to hearing suggestions as how to best reflect the convoluted nature of each accusation. The sources included state the following:
Grassley, in a letter to the Department of Justice and FBI, said a woman by the name of Judy Munro-Leighton took resaponsibility for authoring an anonymous letter that made allegations that Kavanaugh and a friend raped her. After she was tracked down and interviewed by Senate investigators, the woman recanted and said she was not, in fact. the author and had never met Kavanaugh.
Investigators got in touch with her over the phone and Munro-Leighton admitted she wrote the email after seeing the "Jane Doe" letter in news reports. She said she claimed to be Jane Doe so the letter would gain attention, "I was angry and I sent it out," the woman told investigators, according to Grassley's letter, but in fact did not write it.
- And from the referenced Grassley letter:
Then, on October 3, 2018, Committee staff received an email from a Ms. Judy Munro-Leighton with a subject line claiming: “I am Jane Doe from Oceanside CA -- Kavanaugh raped me.”
In short, during the Committee’s time-sensitive investigation of allegations against Judge Kavanaugh, Ms. Munro-Leighton submitted a fabricated allegation, which diverted Committee resources. When questioned by Committee investigators she admitted it was false, a “ploy,” and a “tactic.”
- In short, Judy Munro-Leighton admitted to writing the letter and reiterated her accusation of rape against Kavanaugh. She later recanted her authorship of the letter as well as her accusation. If we want to detach her association from the letter, a more accurate description would read something like "Four other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one anonymous, and another whom later recanted her story." But this feels needlessly protracted. In addition, Swetnick has also somewhat recanted her claim against Kavanaugh as detailed later in the article. I'm not sure if that means the line should now change to ""Four other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one anonymous, and two of whom later recanted their story." StalkerFishy (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- The original change was not "unexplained." It is discussed above. Somebody made an anonymous allegation, which has never been withdrawn. Somebody falsely claimed authorship of the anonymous allegation, and then admitted she wasn't the author. The article misleadingly suggests the original allegation was withdrawn. This was all discussed above. Mevsherd (talk) 01:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- It was not discussed. You requested a specific change. Another user responded saying they didn't agree with you and instead preferred to remove the mention entirely. You then went ahead and made the change. I reverted that change because it was not sufficiently explained or justified.
- The article states the allegation was withdrawn, which it was. But it was withdrawn by someone who later said they didn't make that specific allegation, and instead made another one. Please review the two draft changes I recommended in my comment above.
- Figuring out how many accusations were made, who made them, and which were recanted is a messy task. As I'm reading through this article again, the Swetnick allegation has also been largely walked back, albeit not fully recanted. I'm unsure how/if that detail should be included as well.
- Again, I'm happy to have a conversation about how best to characterize all of this.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 11:42, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- That is not an accurate description of the discussion beginning this section. In any case, three allegations were made by victims, One was anonymous, and there was a brief distraction when somebody falsely claimed to be the author of the anonymous one. The article currently misleadingly suggests the anonymous allegation was withdrawn. There was also a 4th allegation of misconduct observed but not by someone directly subjected to it (Swetnick).
- No final conclusions were reached regarding any of the allegations:
- https://www.factcheck.org/2018/11/fbi-didnt-reach-conclusion-on-kavanaugh-accusations/ Mevsherd (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- What changes are you proposing? It's difficult to encapsulate into a sentence or two these five(?) allegations and their subsequent changes.
Three other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, including allegations that were not corroborated and one that was later withdrawn.
- Brevity is important in the introduction, so this change highlights each of the accusations that is detailed later on in the article. The problem I see with it is, like you noted earlier, it conflates the Jane Doe accusation with the JML accusation. Since JML took ownership of the Jane Doe letter but later recanted and said she was not the Jane Doe author, I'm unsure if this counts as a separate accusation.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 13:28, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The first sentence of this discussion, and the change I made: Change "one of whom later recanted her story" to "one anonymous". Mevsherd (talk) 14:55, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The source clearly states JLM recanted her story. Whether she was the original Jane Doe or not, it doesn't change the fact that she recanted. You can take a stab at reworking the sentence, as I did in my previous comment, but your suggested edit doesn't improve clarity.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 15:20, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The recanted "story" is that she was the author of the allegation, not the allegation itself. This article suggests otherwise.
- I don't think the false claim of authorship is very significant: it created a distraction for a month or two. Regardless, if it is in this article, it shouldn't be misrepresented as a withdrawal of the anonymous allegation. Mevsherd (talk) 15:26, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The first sentence of this discussion, and the change I made: Change "one of whom later recanted her story" to "one anonymous". Mevsherd (talk) 14:55, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- The original change was not "unexplained." It is discussed above. Somebody made an anonymous allegation, which has never been withdrawn. Somebody falsely claimed authorship of the anonymous allegation, and then admitted she wasn't the author. The article misleadingly suggests the original allegation was withdrawn. This was all discussed above. Mevsherd (talk) 01:30, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
So you're saying JLM recanted her authorship of the Jane Doe letter, but not her accusation of rape against Kavanaugh? I don't read that at all in the source. StalkerFishy (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- No, that is simply not what I said. The anonymous author never recanted anything. This article suggests otherwise. Thus, the article misleads the reader. Mevsherd (talk) 03:04, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- Do you mind if I restore my edit? Mevsherd (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, I do mind. There is no consensus for the change you're proposing, and as I've detailed before it does not improve the readers understanding of the source material. Those sources explicitly state that JLM recanted her accusation and authorship of the letter. The introduction section reflects the content that follows in the article. You can propose propose a change that better articulates each accusation, but you can't change something that is clearly established in the sources.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- Jane Doe did not recant her accusation. JLM withdrew her claim of being Jane Doe.
- If you are counting JLM as an accusation separate from Jane Doe, then this sentence is wrong: "Three other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one of whom later recanted her story." In your accounting, there were four other accusations: Swetnick, Ramirez, JLM, Jane Doe. The bottom line is that there are currently three unrecanted accusations, and the article suggests there are two. Mevsherd (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- I mentioned this in previous comments already. You can look over my suggestions here and here.
- You keep saying JLM didn't recant her accusation, but the sources still say otherwise.
Committee investigators connected with Ms. Munro-Leighton by phone and spoke with her about the sexual-assault allegations against Judge Kavanaugh she had made to the Committee. Under questioning by Committee investigators, Ms. Munro-Leighton admitted, contrary to her prior claims, that she had not been sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh and was not the author of the original “Jane Doe” letter.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 17:01, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- "You keep saying JLM didn't recant her accusation" I did not say that. You are just continually misrepresenting what I said. Mevsherd (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
- How about changing "Three other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one of whom later recanted her story" to:
- "There were three other alleged incidents of sexual misconduct, one reported anonymously"?
- We could simply change "three" to "four" in the original, since you insist on treating JLM as a separate allegation, but I think that misleadingly suggests there were four alleged incidents. Mevsherd (talk) 03:26, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- You've already proposed that change before, which does not better reflect the body of the article. Changing the original from three to four could work, but the body of the article would need to support the change as well. Perhaps something like this?
Three other women also accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct; one later altered her account, while a separate claimant recanted after falsely presenting herself as an anonymous accuser.
- StalkerFishy (talk) 12:34, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- "You keep saying JLM didn't recant her accusation" I did not say that. You are just continually misrepresenting what I said. Mevsherd (talk) 17:41, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
I didn't propose that change before. Please note that the new element is to change it to the number of alleged incidents, instead of number of alleged accusers, since the number of incidents is less ambiguous. JLM did not allege a new incident, merely falsely claimed authorship pf an anonymous one.
Your proposal seems misleading, but I'm not sure what you mean by "one later altered her account." This is misleading for the reasons previously discussed: "a separate claimant recanted after falsely presenting herself as an anonymous accuser." You can't recant what you didn't write.
I now agree with this comment: " I don't think this is a usable source for this statement at all, and I'm inclined to just remove the mention, period." I'm inclined to make the edit agreed upon by 2/3 of participants. Mevsherd (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
- The "one later altered her account" is in reference to Swetnick, as detailed in the body. The "a separate claimant recanted after falsely presenting herself as an anonymous accuser" is about JLM. The sources given clearly state that JLM withdrew her allegation against Kavanaugh AND ownership of the Jane Doe letter. These are JLM's own words:
My name is Jane Doe, from Oceanside CA. I am sharing with you the story of the night that Brett Kavanaugh and his friend sexually assaulted and raped me in his car. Here is the letter that I sent to Sen. Kamala Harris on Sept. 19 with details of this vicious assault. The Senate Judiciary Comm had a phone interview on Sept. 26 with Kavanaugh to ask him about my letter.
I refuse to allow Donald J. Trump to use me or my story as an ugly chant at one of his Republican rallies. I know that Jane Doe will get no media attention, but I am deathly afraid of revealing any information about myself or my family. I watched in horror as Trump vilified Dr. Blasey-Ford. I will not allow this abuse to be directed toward me.
- She very clearly:
- Details her accusation of rape against Kavanaugh
- Takes ownership of the previous Jane Doe letter
- The source goes on to say:
Eventually, on November 1, 2018, Committee investigators connected with Ms. Munro-Leighton by phone and spoke with her about the sexual-assault allegations against Judge Kavanaugh she had made to the Committee. Under questioning by Committee investigators, Ms. Munro-Leighton admitted, contrary to her prior claims, that she had not been sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh and was not the author of the original “Jane Doe” letter.
- She very clearly:
- Admits she was not raped by Kavanaugh
- Was not the author of the Jane Doe letter
- StalkerFishy (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
- We've been over all this. JLM does not allege a new incident. She falsely claimed she was the author of a previous and anonymous allegation. Jane Doe did not recant her allegation. Thus, the story of the alleged incident has never been recanted. JLM withdrew her claim of being the author; she cannot recant a letter she did not write, and did not try. The media headline is misleading. So, the article currently misinforms the reader. I agree with Deacon Vorbis: " I don't think this is a usable source for this statement at all, and I'm inclined to just remove the mention, period" Thus, there is an agreement of 2 editors. Mevsherd (talk) 16:17, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
@StalkerFishy The question was why did you revert the edit without an explanation. You also reverted the intervening change. Mme Maigret (talk) 09:25, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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