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Peats Ferry - thanx for that expansion, makes good sense and correlates with what i've read a bit of since and not gotten around to get back to to do right by, you've done well Dave Rave (talk) 15:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Princes Hwy..

Hi - thanks for your edits to Princes Highway, Sydney - however I think from Waterfall south it is State Route 60, and certainly not National Route 1. Do you know? Else, I might just remove that bit. Also, if you are new, you might like to have a look at WP:MINOR --Inas66 (talk) 02:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The situation is very messy, because often RTA (now RMS) sign locations and ccntent do not correspond with what is published in the Government Gazette, which is the legal definition. The southbound advance warning sign for McKell Ave designates the highway at Metroad 1, whereas the advance warning sign for the bifurcation of the Princes Hwy and the Southern Freeway denotes the freeway as national route 1. At one time there was a 'End Metroad 1 Begin national route 1' sign at Waterfall itself, which technically meant that several hundred metres of the Highway were national route 1 before the bifurcation, where it becomes state route 60. Would the solution be to restrict the article to ending at Heathcote, as this is the edge of the Sydney metropolitan (ie urban) area? Skyhook99 (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2012 (UTC)user:skyhook99[reply]

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Shire of Bulloo

While I realise the information you added about the Shire of Bulloo being part of the new Quilpie Shire is correct, you do need to add a citation to support what you are saying. I have added a citation for this purpose, but you need to do it yourself as, in general, only you know where you saw/found that information. Uncited information will be removed from Wikipedia sooner or later. Kerry (talk) 01:48, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shire of Wondai

Again, you need to add citations. Where did you get the information from? I can teach you how to add a citation if you can tell me where you found it. Kerry (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your interest - I do actually appreciate it. I wasn't ignoring you, I was wondering how to work out to do the citations. I understand the need for citations so that references and sources can be cross-checked.

There's a lot of inconsistencies in the Wikipedia articles, as well as missing information, and I'm adding to these articles as I go - these are the changes that you've become aware of.

The information that I have is from a (very large) Word table of the history of Queensland local government authorities that I compiled about 20 years ago, and only recently rediscovered.

The almost total reshaping of the local government landscape in 2008 led me to start revising and updating the table, but I am still trying to work out where the original information came from - I'm not ignoring your earlier comment! The information was online, and I think probably from Queensland Archives. But their website has been totally refashioned since then, and my accessing it now has been through random Google-based searches.

If you're wiling to advise me, I'd really appreciate it. There seems to be three main things to fix the lack of citations:

One is how to access the QA database by agency name, as the agency summary pages were the main source of the information I originally obtained and put in the table and am now feeding into individual articles. The search boxes on the QA website often don't bring up an option for the division or shire council - lots of other things like the local courts and schools;

The second is how one actually creates the hyperlinks to the relevant QA website pages - the references that I see in the editable versions of articles look nothing like any hyperlinks I've ever seen or used;

Third is how I add the citation numbers so that they flow numerically within an article. eg if an event I'm adding text on occurred between the third and fourth events already in an article and I add the text at the appropriate chronological point, how do I then insert a new reference that will become the fourth one, so that the existing fourth one become the fifth one, etc.

If there's other matters I need to be aware of, I'm happy to be advised on those too.

So, yes, if you help that would be great, but it may be too tall an order. I'm confident that the information itself is as accurate as the sources allow it to be - much of my worklife has involved undertaking major politically-sensitive public sector research projects where the resulting reports need to be able to track back to data sources, so I am familiar with the concept of referencing and the need to be confident of one's data sources, but Wikipedia - like many online publishing tools - is somewhat convoluted for a beginner.

Regards.

Adam Skyhook99 (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I understand what you are asking as I too get my information on the old shires etc from the Qld State Archives. As I think you probably know, searching Queensland State Archives is done here and restricting the search to agency theoretically will find the entry you want for the Division or Shire and then the history you want is under the Description tab. But unfortuantely it only works if the archives holds records created by that agency, because that is when the agency entry is created. No records, no agency entry. So this is why you can find Stephens Shire here but not it seems Wondai Shire. This is probably why the information that currently exists in Wikipedia is incomplete. The other place you can find this kind of information is in the Qld Govt Gazettes which you can find online from 1859 to 1900 here. If you know the year of the creation of the shire, then that year of the gazette should give some details. The gazettes do have an index at the start which can be helpful or you can just do a text search in the normal way on PDFs (mostly works). Also the creation and amgamation of shires can be found in the newspapers of the day available here, e.g. here is the announcement to form the Shire with Wondai as its headquarters.

Your second question is how to make a citation. There are both general techniques for any website, book, etc, as well as specialised methods for certain resources including Qld State Archives, the Trove digitised newspapers and so on. Looking at your contributions, I think you are using the old text editor. Do you see things that look like

when you edit an article? If so, it will be much easier if you use the Visual Editor. To turn it on, when logged in, go to your Preferences (probably somewhere top right on your screen) and then use the search box for the word "visual" (but without the quotes) and then tick the box "Enable the visual editor" and set the drop-down editing-mode to either "Always use the Visual Editor when possible" or "Show me both editor tabs". And then Save (lower left). Now editing a Wikipedia article is more like using Microsoft Word and you have an item on your tool bar for creating citations for webapges, books, newspapers, etc, by filling in the boxes.

Your third question about numbering the citations is a non-issue . Wikipedia handles this automatically. You just add citations and it figures out the numbering.

Finally, I am a Wikpedia trainer (a free service!). If you are comfortable to use Zoom (and it is very easy if you have not done it before), I can do a one-on-one session with you at a mutually convenient time to teach you how to do some of things above where you can see me demonstrate it and then you can try it. I suspect once you are using the Visual Editor, things will be a lot easier for you. Contact me at kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au to organise a time. Kerry (talk) 05:02, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kerry, and thanks very much for your kind offer, which I would be glad to accept. I think I can manage Zoom (mostly!)

At the moment I'm largely without internet access, as I'm renovating a house and there is no internet access there yet, but I will get back you again in the next few days to arrange setting up a Zoom meeting at a time that suits both of us, if that's alright.

Thanks very much for pointing me in the right direction re accessing the QA database and its treasure horde of info on local government.

Re the lack of records in the particular case of Wondai Shire, as Wondai was a renaming in 1914 of Wienholt Shire, the records might be under Weinholt, if you haven't already gone down that path.

Best wishes

Adam Skyhook99 (talk) 10:55, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Let me know when you're ready and we can agree a time. Yes, the name change might be part of the issue. Kerry (talk) 21:10, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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