Talk:Pope Paul VI

First Catholic president

I am not sure why it would be more remarkable that Kennedy was the first Catholic US president that Paul VI had met with, rather than Kennedy being the first Catholic US president, period full stop. The comment in there is disruptively insisting that editors not touch it, yet there was no discussion or consensus here on the talk page. Elizium23 (talk) 11:11, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, amusingly it was I who wrote the comment in the first place. So I reserve the right to change my mind, 2 years on. Elizium23 (talk) 11:15, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Humanae vitae in intro doesn't match article content

At the moment, in the article introduction we mention:

"His positions on birth control, promulgated famously in the 1968 encyclical Humanae vitae, were often contested, especially in Western Europe and North America. The same opposition emerged in reaction to the political aspects of some of his teaching on.."

Yet in this article, in the section on that encyclical, we say:

"The reaction to the encyclical's continued prohibitions of artificial birth control was very mixed. In Italy, Spain, Portugal and Poland, the encyclical was welcomed. In Latin America, much support developed for the Pope and his encyclical. As World Bank President Robert McNamara declared at the 1968 Annual Meeting of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank Group that countries permitting birth control practices would get preferential access to resources, doctors in La Paz, Bolivia called it insulting that money should be exchanged for the conscience of a Catholic nation. In Colombia, Cardinal archbishop Aníbal Muñoz Duque declared, "If American conditionality undermines Papal teachings, we prefer not to receive one cent"."

So why when giving a summary of the article on this issue, do we only highlight that it was "contested" by the United States and its, in some cases literally militarily occupied proxies in Western Europe and not the support it recieved in Latin America and Catholic Europe? Torchist (talk) 23:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Canon law degree

The article is misleading in saying that Paul VI got a doctorate in canon law in 1920, the same year he was ordained. In fact, he got a laurea, which is equivalent to a bachelor's degree in most western countries. It's confusing because in Italy the person who gets a laurea is traditionally referred to as "dottore," but it's not the same thing as saying he got a research doctorate in the modern sense. This was Montini's first post-secondary degree, which is why he was able to get it in tandem with being ordained at the seminary (although the degree was actually awarded in 1922) and then went on to complete other studies elsewhere. I'm going to change this in the article and adjust the citation so it refers to a more specialized source that confirms all this. A lot of general biographies get muddled on this point, not understanding the terminology proper to the Italian context. Prosequor (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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