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More secondary sources

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If someone wants to add them. (News searching likely publications and "Mondoweiss" can bring up things not brought up by a regular news search)

  • Questia has a bunch, several of which duplicates of Highbeam.

So get busy! CarolMooreDC

Let's start over

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Infinity Knight claims (MOS Lead section above) the following objections are not addressed:

Objection 1 (Coretheapple) "There needs to be a reference to antisemitism as noted above per Infinity Knight and Geshem Bracha . It is in the article under "Reception," and needs to be reflected in the lead with appropriate weight and length. The lead needs to make reference to both the antisemitism and the blog's opposition to Israel's existence." Nableezy has already agreed there should be something about this, so the only question is the wording, right?

Objection 2 (Geshem Bracha) Complaint that material is promotional, which material in the current lead is promotional? Then an argument based on a single text for the extraordinary claim that MW is a hate site. Extraordinary claims need exceptional sourcing not from a book on alleged antisemitism on university campus consisting of a bunch of student essays.Selfstudier (talk) 10:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to address Coretheapple's concern, reflecting also those of IK and Bracha, i.e.

There needs to be a reference to antisemitism as noted above per Infinity Knight and User:Geshem Bracha It is in the article under "Reception," and needs to be reflected in the lead with appropriate weight and length. The lead needs to make reference to both the antisemitism and the blog's opposition to Israel's existence.

by filling that lacuna here. I.e.

Its critics, among them David Bernstein consider it an antisemitic hate site.

Nota bene. I included material which the majority of editors, myself included (Nomoskedasticity, Nableezy, Nishidani, Huldra, Selfstudier), thought inappropriate (certainly in the way it has been phrased, and devoid as it was of a balancing statement from critics who think it no such thing), as a compromise.
Infinity Knight immediately threw out the baby with the bathwater in this revert, erasing not only first para of the lead proposed but also the part which met his, Bracha and Coretheapple's request, the part precisely which Infinity Knight has militated to have included, i.e.,’ Its critics, among them David Bernstein consider it an antisemitic hate site.’.
So Infinity Knight can't have it both ways. Erasing material he otherwise insists on including. Go figure.Nishidani (talk) 11:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Infinity Knight, is the above sentence sufficient to deal with objection 1? If you agree we can add it.Selfstudier (talk) 11:16, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, since the slight numerical majority objected to that kind of sentence, IK's acceptance is not sufficient. He must obtain a confirming majority for its inclusion. Unfortunately that is the consequence of his precipitous and incautious removal of it in the first place. As I noted above, a negative lead summary sentence or two cannot go in without a balancing sentence or two of positive evaluation,rigorously per WP:NPOV. That is why I asked IK to provide a new formulation summarizing the reception criticism. Once they have done that, we can see what the consensus is.Nishidani (talk) 11:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection we have mixed together objection 1 and 2, the antisemitism aspect needs to be separated from the hate site part. So for objection 1, we need something like:

"Critics such as David Bernstein (source) consider the site antisemitic." Selfstudier (talk) 11:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We can deal with any necessary balancing independently of this aspect, OK? One thing at a time.Selfstudier (talk) 11:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The lead as it stands has consensus,- Bracha's point is resolved, so that para should not be the focus of this thread. What the thread must address is Coretheapple's point, reflecting IF's remarks on MOS:LEAD. As per NPOV, anti-Semitic accusations cannot be mentioned in isolation. Infinity Knight or whoever, not me, must come up with a proposal containing not only matter like that, but also the balancing material (Haaretz/Hass/Wolfe or whoever. So let's wait for that proposal from IK. Nishidani (talk) 11:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind waiting but we ought to try and make some progress, I don't want to spend my life on this page, lol.Selfstudier (talk) 11:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Idem. Looking back over all of the thread, numerous attempts have been made to meet IK's objections. They were all consistently rejected. So progress must begin by IK making a concrete proposal. Anything I say is vetoed at sight, so the ball's in their court. We don't want here that infinite cunctatorial objectionism which marred the P enclave discussion, and led to a ban for sheer recalcitrant WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT behaviour.Nishidani (talk) 11:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:IDIDNOTHEARTHAT behaviour such as, now, this where the edit summary 'see talk', decoded, means 'see my minority view, disputed by a majority of 5 editors.' Do that again, and you will be reported for repeatedly edit warring against consensus, esp. because you also fail to respond to every request to actually collaborate, by offering proposals, for improving the text you dislike.Nishidani (talk) 08:56, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, clear cut disruption and I have posted a note on the editor's talk page to that effect.Selfstudier (talk) 09:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:International_Socialist_Organization#International_Socialist_Review/Haymarket/Center_for_Economic_Research_and_Social_Change BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand it correctly, CERSC is a 501 non profit and then Mondoweiss, Haymarket are publishing related akas for that "official" name. I think "part of" is not quite the correct phrasing, sponsored by would be better and I don't think it should be a redirect to any of the "sponsored" projects at all. (StandWithUs/Creative Community for Peace is a similar set up with the 501 being called Israel Emergency Alliance in that case. Selfstudier (talk) 17:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For BLP

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There is a consensus that no specific findings or stipulations regarding the use of Mondoweiss in BLPs were warranted by the discussion. Editors should adhere to the standard practices for BLPs. Nishidani (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 6 November 2025

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Description of suggested change: I would suggest removing the quote from Elliot Kaufman. Kaufman was, at the time of writing this, a undergraduate student at Stanford and his opinions are not independently notable. There are already several better sources (per WP:SOURCETYPE) expressing the same points as Kaufman, including several that he cites in his opinion piece. Additionally, the source given contains several misleading statements: a link (https://web.archive.org/web/20151222065820/http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/08/28/israeli-organ-harvesting/) that is claimed to show that someone "defended the historical blood libel" in fact is an examination of modern claims about Israeli organ harvesting.

Similarly, the opinion piece seems to be primarily a summary of blogs which would not themselves be RS (https://web.archive.org/web/20160804132832/http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/06/mondoweiss-hate-as-progressive-jewish.html). Given the sourcing issues, existence of better sources with the same POV and lack of notability, I would suggest that this article is not appropriate for use in the article, even as WP:ACCORDINGTO.

CamAnders (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The "Reception" section in general is excessively long and should be turned into a more cohesive summary rather than a long list of unrelated quotes. Day Creature (talk) 04:56, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you CamAnders (talk) 07:57, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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