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Controversy

I can't decide where can I put the issue of Maloi about the Bini tote bag, this article or in Bini article? Royiswariii Talk! 00:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's due. See WP:NOTNEWS, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:DEPTH. Borgenland (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability guidelines don't apply to article contents (see WP:NOTEWORTHY). However, according to WP:BLPSOURCE, contentious material should not be added to an article when the only sources are tabloid journalism. By looking at the available sources regarding this issue, only one article from a reliable publisher is available.[1] Unfortunately, since this article is tabloid journalism (Inquirer's Bandera is a tabloid newspaper), it cannot be used as a reference for this issue, ultimately failing WP:BLPSOURCE. AstrooKai (Talk) 09:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 January 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be renamed and moved.

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Moved. See below stronger arguments in support of these renames. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 09:32, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move logs: source title · target title

This is template {{subst:Requested move/end}}

Maloi (singer) → Maloi
Maloi → Maloi (disambiguation)

– WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, The pageviews of "Maloi (singer)" of 2024 until yesterday (January 26, 2024) is 82,917 views, while 212 daily average. Besides, there's no other competition to Maloi's article except for a village in Pakistan and a clan of Tiwa people, but, there's no dedicated article on the name I mentioned. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Women in Music, WikiProject Musicians, Tambayan Philippines, and WikiProject Biography have been notified of this discussion. ROY is WAR Talk! 01:07, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. There are no other articles within the mainspace that begin with or are related to "Maloi", making this article unambiguous for now. The village and the clan listed on the disambiguation page currently do not have articles, and this article has already accumulated over 84,500 page views. This makes it more likely to be the primary topic, even if articles for the village and clan are created in the future, especially since the popularity of her group, Bini, will likely drive more views to this article.AstrooKai (Talk) 14:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on greater notability grounds. Borgenland (talk) 16:42, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, unambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 17:24, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed, support move to "Maloi Ricalde" or "Bini Maloi", as per my and Joy's arguments at Talk:Bini (group)#Requested move 29 January 2025, a Filipina member of a girl band is none more notable than a clan or a whole ~~goddamned~~ village. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:52, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- (Apparently, the stricken words offended someone; obviously, it was not a personal attack as it was never directed to any specific person, real or imagined, from within or without this discussion, but I have stricken it nonetheless. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2025 (UTC))[reply]
Support: there's only one article with this title. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: She doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG, specifically WP:BANDMEMBER - a couple music video cameos doesn't really make someone notable outside of their group. I can't support moving her to the primary topic when it's unclear why she has a dedicated article at all. orangesclub 🍊 22:05, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that's an argument for WP:AFD not here. The fact is that at present she does have an article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose: While the singer Maloi currently has the most pageviews, Wikipedia's primary topic criteria require more than just popularity. The existence of other notable entities named Maloi (e.g., a village and clan) necessitates disambiguation, even if they lack dedicated articles at present. Retaining the parenthetical "(singer)" ensures clarity for readers and aligns with naming conventions for individuals in groups (e.g., WP:BANDMEMBER). Moving to an unambiguous title like Maloi Ricalde (her full name) would better comply with WP:COMMONNAME and avoid future conflicts if other Maloi topics gain coverage. The current setup respects both policy and the potential notability of non-entertainment subjects. 7starunited (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Note to other editors of this article

I will be adding a "Media image" section. I tried to last year, but it was removed. Please be aware that most higher-rated (B, GA, and Featured) articles about individual celebrities feature Media/Public image sections. It's not fancruft if their media image is widely reported upon; that means it's a serious part of their branding and career. I hope it won't be removed this time - thank you! Bloomagiliw (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your contribution, Bloomagiliw.

Is there any chance to expand of Bini Gwen like media image too? ROY is WAR Talk! 03:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'll try, but the reason I didn't join the deletion discussion for Gwen is that she gets much fewer solo opportunities and less solo recognition than Maloi right now.

But I'll see what I can do. All of the girls are still crazy famous right now. They could breathe and it'd be a headline — it's just a matter of if we can prove that Gwen has individual notability by Wikipedia standards. Bloomagiliw (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the managment credited the art cover of the new single Shagidi which is I will work that single once have sources. Do you think it can be added on her discography or in her career? ROY is WAR Talk! 12:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just add it to Career. Discography means songs, and artwork isn't a song. She did the cover art solo but the song is by the whole group. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it was created for their song. So, definitely a career work. AstrooKai (Talk) 23:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I said to add it to Career as well. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maloi won a solo award at VP Choice Awards

Just letting everyone know about the good news. She won TikTok Face of the Year at the 6th VP Choice Awards (context: awards by the legit magazine Village Pipol), but I will personally wait until a news outlet covers the ceremony like they did in previous years, e.g.:

Or perhaps until the VP Awards site updates their winners list. This is really good, because it's more evidence of Maloi's solo notability and that she is an Internet celebrity. Her solo article definitely deserves to be kept. Bloomagiliw (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can use the official Facebook page of VP Awards, we also used on List of awards and nominations received by Bini on sourcing Awit Awards. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABS-CBN already covered it, don't worry! Bloomagiliw (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mikha Lim also nominated, it should be added, right? ROY is WAR Talk! 15:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Feel free to just copy and paste the VPCA nominees source I put in Maloi's article for Mikha's page, because it mentions her too. Bloomagiliw (talk) 15:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On Maloi being an Internet personality or not

Hello. I would like to ping @AstrooKai, who reverted my edits about Maloi being an Internet personality, and other significant contributors to the article @Royiswariii and @Borgenland. I'm going to politely explain my reasons for considering Maloi an Internet personality.
Although all celebrities are expected to maintain an online presence as a supplementary tool for their career, most of Maloi's solo SIGCOV pertains to her online presence. For instance, the Nylon Manila article about all the times that Maloi "broke the Internet" was published on January 9, 2024, which was shortly before Bini's Spotify listeners picked up later in the year: https://www.rappler.com/entertainment/music/summer-pantropiko-the-bini-craze-continues/
Even before the rise of Bini as a group, Maloi has had coverage that puts her under the category of "viral video star". "Internet celebrities" is a category on Wikipedia and some articles, like this one, do mention "online personality" in the lead section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Allison
I am open to disagreements, but I genuinely believe that "online/Internet personality" deserves a mention in Maloi's lead section because most of the prose that I added, which convinced the other editors to change their votes from delete to keep in the deletion discussion, pertains to her online presence. "Online/Internet personality" is a thing, much like "TV personality". Hoping to hear your thoughts as well. Bloomagiliw (talk) 15:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think Internet personality is of non-primary importance, given how WP:ROUTINE the moniker has been liberally used these days. Borgenland (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. But for Maloi as an individual, I'd argue it's of primary importance. It does bug me a little if there's no way to mention her Internet presence in the lead section, given that most of her SIGCOV is about it. Her solo notability per Wikipedia standards would be incredibly insufficient for a solo page if we take out everything related to her online presence. Bloomagiliw (talk) 15:32, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe yes. Maloi was also always hit on social media on her fashion and making as a viral hit, that's why i added her on WikiProject Internet Culture. I am also thinking to add it on Salamin, Salamin on WikiProject Internet Culture since the scope of their WikiProject is "All fads of the Internet." like a skyrocket hit on all the Philippines of the dance challenge. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As Borgen pointed out, labeling Maloi primarily as an Internet personality is of non-primary importance. This is largely because maintaining an online presence and engaging with an audience digitally has become routine for contemporary musical artists like her.

When comparing the significance of her "Internet personality" status to her established musical career, particularly as a member of Bini, the former appears insignificant. Her primary notability and contribution lie within her musical endeavors.

Regarding the comparison to Julia Allison, I strongly disagree with its relevance here. Julia Allison built her notability and career fundamentally as a blogger and online figure, making "online personality" a warranted descriptor for her. Maloi's online presence, while robust, serves primarily as a supplementary tool to her main career as a musician, not as the foundation of her public identity or notability. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]