Talk:Li Hongzhi

Why???

Do You know Li Hong Zhi? He said That:

"I'm not Jesus, and I'm not Sakyamuni, but the Fa has created millions and millions of Jesuses and Sakyamunis who have the courage to walk the path of Truth, who have the courage to risk their lives for the sake of the Truth, and who have the courage to devote their lives to saving sentient beings” (Teaching the Fa at the Washington, D.C. Fa Conference, July 22, 2002 Li Hongzhi)

But on the other hand He said that: I am just a very ordinary man". Time Magazine. 2 August 1999. "During the Cultural Revolution, the government misprinted my birthdate. I just corrected it. During the Cultural Revolution, there were lots of misprints on identity. A man could become a woman, and a woman could become a man. It's natural that when people want to smear you, they will dig out whatever they can to destroy you. What's the big deal about having the same birthday as Sakyamuni? Many criminals were also born on that date. I have never said that I am Sakyamuni. I am just a very ordinary man." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi#cite_note-bbc-19

References

possibly add a section on Li Hongzhi's opposition to homosexuality

if i may quote the sister article of Teachings of Falun Gong

Li Hongzhi's conservative moral teachings have caused some concern in the West, including his views on homosexuality, democracy and science. The founder taught that homosexuality makes one "unworthy of being human", creates bad karma, and is comparable to organized crime. He also taught that "disgusting homosexuality shows the dirty abnormal psychology of the gay who has lost his ability of reasoning", and that homosexuality is a "filthy, deviant state of mind." Li additionally stated in a 1998 speech in Switzerland that, "gods' first target of annihilation would be homosexuals." In light of Li's teachings on homosexuality as immoral, a nomination of Li for the Nobel Peace Prize by San Francisco legislators was withdrawn in 2001. Although gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may practice Falun Gong, founder Li stated that they must "give up the bad conduct" of all same-sex sexual activity.

since most of these are direct quotes, i think it would be notewhile to add such content on any sections related to his beliefs/controversies 98.59.80.64 (talk) 04:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

As shown above in the "Why is the page semi-protected?" section,this section was already discussed and deemed too heavily emphasized. Also, please state your sources for your "direct quotes" above. 92.200.207.67 (talk) 03:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Braslow piece in Los Angeles Magazine

In March 2020, Los Angeles Magazine published a piece by Samuel Braslow which exposed Shen Yun practices and their ties to The Epoch Times. In May 2020, The Epoch Times filed a defamation suit against the magazine. In September 2020, the magazine published a retraction.

We already talked about this, which people can see at Talk:Falun Gong/Archive 45#References to article retracted by Los Angeles Magazine should be deleted. The result of the discussion was to keep the Braslow article. The concern voiced was that the Braslow article "cannot be considered a reliable source" because it was retracted by the magazine. The counter argument was that the reason for retraction was financial rather than factual; the magazine did not want to pay for a court battle. Braslow's archived article is still considered to be an accurate report about Shen Yun and The Epoch Times, despite the aggressive lawsuit and meek response. Binksternet (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I fully agree with Jackupdike's points. There's no evidence that LA Mag retracted due to financial reasons rather than factual errors. On the contrary, there is evidence that LA Mag retracted because of misinformation, such as the article saying that Li founded ET, but the New York Times says John Tang did, and that the feature image of the LA Mag article is a Shen Yun dancer in MAGA hat cartoon, but in fact Shen Yun is not pro-Trump at all, hence their praise from many Democrat politicians and celebrities like Carolyn Maloney [1] and Donna Karen [2].Thomas Meng (talk) 20:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The Talk:Falun Gong/Archive 45#References to article retracted by Los Angeles Magazine should be deleted argument about "Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working." (WP:DEADREF) has nothing to do with what we are talking here. I agree with Thomas. Nivent2007 (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Binksternet, we shouldn't reward legal threats. Also, Thomas Meng, you've been here long enough to know that stuff like this isn't a good idea per WP:CANVASS. MrOllie (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Do any Wikipedia policies or guidelines say if a retracted article can be a RS? Llll5032 (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I couldn’t find a specific answer to that question when I looked the last time this came up, but the Reliable sources/Perennial sources page says: “Context matters tremendously when determining the reliability of sources, and their appropriate use on Wikipedia … even very high-quality sources may occasionally make errors, or retract pieces they have published in their entirety.” The clear implication is that retracted articles should not be used even if they came from an otherwise reliable source. JackUpdike (talk) 23:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

It’s unclear to me how this thread started, since I don’t see any reference to the retracted LA Magazine piece in this article. Is someone proposing to add it now? I asked previously what basis there is for the claim that LA Magazine retracted the piece based on financial considerations, and to my knowledge no one has provided any support for that claim. It seems self-evident to me that a retracted article does not qualify as reliable. And as I explained in the previous thread referenced above (in Archive 45), that particular retracted article included several objectively false assertions. I don’t understand how any fair-minded editor can defend continued citation to the article. JackUpdike (talk) JackUpdike (talk) 23:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

@JackUpdike: LA Mag's piece is removed from this article, but this discussion is a centralized discussion conerning LA Mag's inclusion in other relevant articles as well, such as Shen Yun and Falun Gong.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 October 2024

Change "[...] was officially accused to be a doomsday cult." to "[...] was officially accused of being a doomsday cult."

The existing sentence is grammatically incorrect. AMMM1990 (talk) 18:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for spotting this! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)