Talk:KRCW-TV

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Fair use rationale for Image:Portlandcw.png

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KRCW switched over to digital?

I can't receive KRCW anymore. Have they switched over to digital, because through cable I can get it just fine. I thought they weren't switching until June 12. Are they having problems? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.250.225 (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:KRCW-TV/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 17:02, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 11:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Note: @DaniloDaysOfOurLives and I are working very hard to review every single GA nomination in the television section. Consider joining us to clear the backlog!

Will review. IAWW (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Review is below. I stuck better to the GA criteria this time! IAWW (talk) 11:29, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

By the way, you need to add your affiliation switch good topic to your user page! IAWW (talk) 11:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

They still haven't been approved. GTC is so slow, even by Wikipedia standards. @It is a wonderful world:

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

The two stations share studios in the basement of the KOIN Center skyscraper on Southwest Columbia Street in downtown Portland; KRCW-TV's transmitter is located in the Sylvan-Highlands neighborhood of the city: Not supported by the body

• The infobox will have the transmitter coordinates. There is no ref that directly says that KRCW moved in with KOIN, but the property has been renovated and put up for lease, and the public file lists the same address for KRCW's studio as it does for KOIN. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 23:04, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sammi Brie, I am happy with all your other improvements/justifications. However this is just original research? IAWW (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world Finally figured this one out. There are two legal documents, one from January and one from March 2020, between which the main studio changed. This also aligns with when things might have moved after the Tribune purchase. And I added a photo of KOIN Tower. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 01:01, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Great work, thanks for digging up the legal documents. The image of the KOIN tower looks like it is built out of lego lol IAWW (talk) 12:10, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Suggest linking "receivership"

KUTF and KEBN: Construction

it proposed to erect a tower in the Eola Hills northwest of Salem and broadcast a family-friendly format with possible network affiliation but faced opposition from aviation officials to the site over impacts to nearby McNary Field: Punctuate so it can be read easier

Suggest linking "call sign"

Meanwhile, Willamette Valley Broadcasting was also attempting to firm up financing for the venture... By 1986, the permit was held by Dove Broadcasting: No sourcing on the sale?

• There isn't any in the papers. FCC records indicate Dove became a minority general partner at this time. (Newspapers.com search is flaky right now, too. Holiday weekends and their servers don't always mesh.)

At the time, Salem's existing commercial station, KECH-TV (channel 22), aired the founders' daily Nite Line Christian program: I originally read this as "the founders'" referring to the founders of KECH-TV and was confused why this was relevant. Could you clarify that "the founders" refers to the founders of the new station?

Dove had hoped for a mid-1987 start, but its plans were delayed two years for various reasons. First, the transmitter site was changed again to improve the coverage area. Other problems and tight finances further delayed construction...: This starts out as a list, but then the structure changes for the other items that would have been in the list. This means it's unclear whether "further delayed construction" is in addition to the two year delays mentioned earlier. I think this paragraph would be a lot clearer if the rest of the reasons were part of the list of reasons introduced with "First".

The new transmitter site, 15 miles (24 km) from Molalla, was the subject of thefts; a 20-year-old transmitter purchased from a TV station in San Francisco was found to be defective and needed a total rebuild: The semi-colon structure makes the reader expect you will further elaborate on the thefts in the post-semi-colon clause, but this is not done. Therefore the semi-colon shouldn't be used in this construction.

• in this case, it's being used because there are list items with a comma.

so strapped for cash: Much stronger than the source

I think "receiver" should be linked if possible.

KWBP: Portland's WB

Channel 32, Inc: Was Channel 32, Inc a new company set up to run the station? If so, and if there is a source for it, I think this should be stated explicitly.

Tribune ownership

ACME sold KWBP: Shouldn't it be "sold it's share of KWPB"? Since it owned an 80 percent share rather than the whole station?

• It sounds like they ended up owning all of it. But there is no sourcing.

Duopoly with KOIN

Looks good :)

Sports programming

Beyond GA criteria: "As of" can be added to Template:As of, so potentially dated statements can be kept track of.

Technical information

The "Translators" subsection needs a citation.

• Going to object because this is basically a pointer "look elsewhere". Translators for stations in 3.0 service are funky for two reasons. One, existing translator equipment has to be replaced, and this is not entirely feasible. Two, if there's a group of translators, the other stations which are carrying the subchannels spread out on the other stations (32 rides on the back of 2 and 6 to reach most viewers right now) are likely to be rebroadcast there too. Entries in databases are thus less reliable for a 3.0 station, up to and including KJZZ-TV Salt Lake City (in the market with the most translators necessary in the country). More common is that translators used previously for KRCW are now used to broadcast other services.

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) Y

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

[13]: Y

[20]: Doesn't support that it was the "largest problem", and "starved it" is editorializing

• Reworded.

[28]: Y

[44]: Y

[58]: Seems to support that here are seven stations, not two, broadcasting ATSC

• That's because other stations are providing their feeds on the two existing 3.0 signals. Between KRCW and KPDX, the main feeds of KATU, KOIN, KGW, KOPB, KPTV, KRCW and KPDX are provided. RabbitEars shows two stations with the green fast forward arrow used by the site for 3.0 broadcasts.

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

No issues found on Earwig or the spot check.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Stable (Criterion 5) Y

Media Y

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

Suggest archiving non-dead references

Modern day monetary conversions would be great!

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:15, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• ... that an Oregon TV station went off the air for two to four weeks to complete a move—but didn't return for nearly two years? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/statesman-journal-channel-32-goes-off-th/56354962/ + https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sunday-oregonian-station-group-file/170229912/ (October 1992 to July 1994)
  • Reviewed: 1958 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and Stavatti Aerospace

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 774 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:07, 1 June 2025 (UTC).

• More quality work courtesy of Sammi Brie. All seems to be in order. The only qualm I have is with the precision of hook. Perhaps more correctly, the hook should indicate that the two-to-four-week off-air time was only planned. Otherwise, good work and looks like it'll easily pass. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • @Pbritti: You make a good point. Let me throw an ALT1 your way: Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that an Oregon TV station planned to be off the air for two to four weeks to complete a move—but didn't return for nearly two years?

All looks in order regarding copyright, length, sourcing, etc. ALT1 meets criteria and is definitely interesting. Good to go! ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Translators

This is kind of an unknowable section which is a bit strange. The reason it is uncited is because no source is going to spell it out very easily.

Translators typically work by rebroadcasting an entire multiplex (6 MHz of space), so all the channels on it. Think of it as a lunchbox. Once upon a time, the lunchbox had one item in it. Now, there are four or five thanks to digital subchannels. ATSC 3.0 hosting arrangements rely on this to create new-format service without removing the channel from existing sets.

When a station converts to ATSC 3.0, the translator equipment in use can't handle the new signal. The equipment needed for 3.0 rebroadcasting is typically greater than 1.0 rebroadcasting. I only know of one operating 3.0 translator, in Taos, New Mexico. It just went into service in April. In any event, it doesn't matter because the translator association or station group often has a translator at the same site for the ATSC 1.0 host station. Instead of 32.1 coming in the lunchbox labeled "32", now 32.1 is packed away in the lunchbox that carries 2.1, 2.2, etc.

A 3.0 conversion makes lists of translators highly inaccurate for this reason. In some cases, we know the translator has been switched to some other station. In others, we don't. But we know that, except in Taos, it is not rebroadcasting KRCW directly.

KRCW had two translators listed for it in 2025, one of which apparently switched to KOIN and the other has no current information. There is a large hidden comment about this.

The only correct thing to do is point to the lists of translators of KRCW's ATSC 1.0 hosts, KATU and KOIN. Those aren't affected.

Pinging Morogris. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 19:54, 1 July 2025 (UTC)