Talk:Gele (headdress)

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Tags and removals?

@Athanelar I noticed you made a lot of removals on this page and added some tags.

You added two tags to this statement

As early as 1955 Afikpo Igbo [definition needed] women were documented to have worn the head tie of Yoruba women through improvement associations [definition needed]

Here's what the source says.

"These women wore Yoruba cloths as well as the Yoruba head-tie."

- Improvement Associations among the Afikpo Ibo (1955) [1]

What exactly do you mean by the "needs definition" tags you added, the source is pretty clear that afikpo women wore the yoruba head tie.

The other two [citation needed] tags you added were already covered by the sources, namely the vogue article that covers the diffusion of the gele, and the [2021] The Intangible Migrant article [2] that lists Gyale as a word Hausas borrowed from the Yoruba "Gele". And why was the beyonce statement also removed?

I've added an additional source on gele to gyale history, and about 4 other sources for relevant bits of information. I've also restructured the article a bit, as the previous headings were crossing over. Some clarification would be appreciated. Sohvyan (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by the "needs definition" tags you added Exactly what it says; the terms I have tagged, "Afikpo Igbo" and "improvement associations" should be defined or elaborated upon in some way, because their meaning is not clear to the casual reader.

And why was the beyonce statement also removed? Because it's needless WP:PUFFERY. Athanelar (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I do not believe that Beyonce wearing a gele is puffery, it's just used as an example of it's adoption in the diaspora. WP:PUFFERY seems to me to be more about unnecessarily aggrandizing language, not actual relevant events.

WP:WEASEL says that Likewise, views that are properly attributed to a reliable source may use similar expressions, if those expressions accurately represent the opinions of the source. On the statement you just added a "by whom" to, it's clearly expressed by the scholars in the source. And the same is the case with your newly added "specify" tag, this is what the source actually says.

Some people consider the Yoruba national dress to be the traditional dress of Nigerians in general. Traditional Yoruba garments include the bub (a loose, long-sleeved blouse worn by males and females), the iro (a long, weap-over skirt worn swathed around a woman’s hips and waist), the agbada (a loose robe worn by men on formal occasions), sokotos(loose-fitting drawstring trousers worn by men) and a gele (the iconic Nigerian cloth headdress worn by women).
— Etiquette and taboos around the world. A geographic encyclopedia of social and cultural customs.

I would still like clarification on what needs definition about the Afikpo Igbo women, like why does that need more definition than say the hausa who are mentioned in another source, Afikpo igbo women are simply igbo women from the afikpo area of south eastern nigeria. The improvement association is described in the source itself. This article is not meant to be a detailed description about improvement associations or Igbo women. Sohvyan (talk) 22:34, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

it's just used as an example of it's adoption in the diaspora. It was written in an inappropriate tone, and trimming it to a more encyclopedic tone would've rendered the claim as essentially just "Beyonce once wore a Gele" which is just kind of unimportant trivia. The article doesn't gain anything from randomly namedropping that someone notable wore a Gele.

On the statement you just added a "by whom" to, it's clearly expressed by the scholars in the source. Yes, so that needs to be expressed in the Wikipedia prose too.

"Researcher John X described..." is not weasel wording. "Some researchers described..." is weasel wording, even if sourced; the text should reflect the source.

If the source also only says "Some people" then I invite you to question whether the information in the source is reliable, and where they get that information from.

like why does that need more definition than say the hausa who are mentioned in another source,

The Hausa are a major cultural group with a Wikipedia article. The Afikpo Igbo are not.

Afikpo igbo women are simply igbo women from the afikpo area of south eastern nigeria.

Then perhaps the prose would be clearer if it simply said "Igbo women from the Afikpo area of southeastern Nigeria..."

The improvement association is described in the source itself.

Sources are there to verify information. We don't expect the reader to check the source in order to find the definition for a term.

This article is not meant to be a detailed description about improvement associations or Igbo women.

Certainly, but a lack of clarity/overabundance of jargon is not beneficial to the reader. Athanelar (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarity, it should read much better now. Sohvyan (talk) 06:38, 29 May 2026 (UTC)