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Hello this is not the location of the miraj , the Al-Aqsa mosque is the location,also the place build(temple) by prophet Solomon and the palace of prophet Jesus. The dome is nothing to do with the historical significance of Islam , it has always been the Al-Aqsa mosque — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.116.247 (talk) 20:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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The statements in the description is not historically accurate and has been distorted by someone. The Dome of the Rock has no origin from Islamic sources but pre-dates Islamic presence. 31.220.196.45 (talk) 09:02, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 10:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
Mythical ?
[edit]The Night Journey is discribed as "Mythical" in Religious Significance. Do we really want to say that? Is Noah's Ark "Mythical" ? 2A00:23C7:E1F1:301:9199:472:BB86:8818 (talk) 15:28, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
Dome of the Rock Mosque
[edit]Dome of the Rock is a mosque where people can pray, even if some older sources describe it as a shrine (which is not permissible in Sunni Islam), it is now a Mosque and not a shrine Prosnu (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- To be clear, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "shrine", which just means a holy place in general ([1], [2]). Many English references refer to the Kaaba simply as a "shrine" (e.g. [3], [4]). So this has nothing to do with what is "permissible in Sunni Islam". Just because people pray inside it does not mean it is useful to call it a "mosque" either, and reliable sources do not call it that anyways.
- That being said, the historical function and meaning of the building is debated ([5]), and a better wording for the lead sentence might be "Islamic religious structure" or "Islamic religious monument". I would support that change if other editors also support it. R Prazeres (talk) 22:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- For the Kaaba that is pretty understandable since it is a place where prayers are not conducted daily and it's mainly part of the Islamic pilgrimage, even Muslims do not refer to the Kaaba by itself as a mosque, and it might be called a monument or structure but the Dome of the Rock is a fully functional mosque where people pray daily, it has a big prayer area, even if it was not built in the intention of being a mosque, it is now a mosque not a shrine, the details about its original building purpose can be added (which is probably a debated topic) but at the end it is a mosque Prosnu (talk) 06:07, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, that's just your personal view, since you didn't cite any reliable sources. R Prazeres (talk) 06:16, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- For the Kaaba that is pretty understandable since it is a place where prayers are not conducted daily and it's mainly part of the Islamic pilgrimage, even Muslims do not refer to the Kaaba by itself as a mosque, and it might be called a monument or structure but the Dome of the Rock is a fully functional mosque where people pray daily, it has a big prayer area, even if it was not built in the intention of being a mosque, it is now a mosque not a shrine, the details about its original building purpose can be added (which is probably a debated topic) but at the end it is a mosque Prosnu (talk) 06:07, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- A mosque is more than just a place where people can pray. The Dome of the Rock is usually not called a mosque by Islamic authorities. It does not have some of the characteristics of mosques such as a substantial flat area for people to kneel on the floor. However, it does have one of the essential features of a mosque, namely it has a mihrab, see here. It would be good to include some discussion of this in the article with suitable sources. Zerotalk
- Agreed, the article still lacks many details. R Prazeres (talk) 06:28, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- It is easy to find sources that say it is a mosque and easy to find sources that say it is not a mosque. What is less easy is to find authoritative sources that discuss the question. The fact that people pray there regularly is not proof that it's a mosque, and the fact that the mihrab is under the rock and not visible from the prayer area is not proof that it isn't a mosque. What we need is a good source. Zerotalk 06:52, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- Seems like you haven’t visited or seen clear pictures of inside of the dome of rock, it’s a very big mosque from the inside around the rock and there is a mihrab in the upper floor not only below the rock and it’s easy to pray in it
- it’s clearly called a mosque in Islamic sources not a shrine and it’s treated as such, a shrine would indicate that people would just visit it Prosnu (talk) 09:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- (In response to Zero:) Editors should keep in mind that the relevant scholarly literature isn't interested in trying to decide specifically whether it should be categorized as a "mosque" or not. Architecturally, it is not a mosque; functionally, it's complicated. Scholars do not generally place it under a simple category or label and have described it as "unique", among other things. Wikipedia should not attempt to decide the answer. Here's a sample of references on the matter to show what I mean (quoting where useful, otherwise see suggested pages/locations):
- Grabar, O. (1986). "Kubbat al-Ṣakhra". In Bosworth, C. E.; van Donzel, E.; Lewis, B. & Pellat, Ch. (eds.). The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. Volume V: Khe–Mahi. Leiden: E. J. Brill. pp. 298–299. ISBN 978-90-04-07819-2.: "The Dome of the Rock has excited more scholarly concern than any other Islamic monument, and this for several reasons. It is a unique building which was rarely copied for its shape (a few later mausoleums like the Sulaybiyya in Sāmarrā or Ḳalāwūn’s tomb in Cairo may have used it as a model), and never for its functions. It does not fit into any architectural series. Also it is located on the site of the Jewish Temple, in the holy city of Christianity, without showing obvious traces of impact from the two older monotheistic faiths. It does not look like a mosque, and the Aḳṣā nearby fulfilled the congregational needs of the Muslim community. Finally, literary sources on the Dome of the Rock are confused and contradictory, even though the inscription on the building indicates that it was a major effort of the Umayyad dynasty."
- Blair, Sheila S. (1992). "What is the Date of the Dome of the Rock?". In Raby, Julian; Johns, Jeremy (eds.). Bayt al-Maqdis: 'Abd al-Malik's Jerusalem. Part One. Oxford University Press. pp. 59-87 (see first page for quick read).
- Mekeel-Matteson, Carolanne (1999). "The Meaning of the Dome of the Rock-published". The Islamic Quarterly. 43 (3): 149-185 (link to unofficial copy, see first page for quick read).
- Grabar, Oleg (2006). The Dome of the Rock. Harvard University Press. pp. 1, 13–15, 17, 112–119, etc. ISBN 978-0-674-02313-0.
- Neci̇poğlu, Gülru (2008). "The Dome of the Rock as Palimpsest: ʻabd Al-Malik's Grand Narrative and Sultan Süleyman's Glosses". Muqarnas. 25: 17–105 (skip to conclusion on p.79 for quicker read). ISSN 0732-2992.
- Bloom, Jonathan M.; Blair, Sheila S., eds. (2009). "Shrine (see also "Jerusalem" entry)". The Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195309911.
Its major Islamic monument, the Dome of the Rock (691–2; see Jerusalem, §II, 1 and Architecture, color pl.), is an annular structure that follows traditional Byzantine models. The rock on which it stands was later identified as the site from which the Prophet ascended, but it remains a matter of debate whether it was constructed to commemorate the spot on which Abraham was believed to have offered up Isaac or to symbolize Islam's triumph over Christianity.
- Milwright, Marcus (2014). "Dome of the Rock". In Fleet, Kate; Krämer, Gudrun; Matringe, Denis; Nawas, John; Rowson, Everett (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Three. Brill. pp. (not long, but see throughout). ISBN 9789004161658.
- Levy-Rubin, Milka (2017). "Why was the Dome of the Rock built? A new perspective on a long-discussed question". Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. 80 (3): 441–464 (see abstract on first page for quick read). ISSN 0041-977X.
- Treadwell, Luke (2017). "The Formation of Religious and Caliphal Identity in the Umayyad Period: The Evidence of the Coinage". In Flood, Finbarr Barry; Necipoğlu, Gülru (eds.). A Companion to Islamic Art and Architecture. Wiley Blackwell. p. 105. ISBN 9781119068662.
The Dome of the Rock has been minutely analyzed in all of its aspects (decoration, form, topography) with the goal of uncovering the circumstances of its construction and its function as a religious monument. It has often been noted that it drew heavily on Byzantine models for both its octagonal form and its mosaic program. But attempts to unlock the secrets of the building's meaning and function have yielded few persuasive conclusions, even though its origins in the contested arenas of the Zubayrid civil war and multifaith Jerusalem have been helpfully clarified.
- Mourad, Suleiman A. (2020). "Umayyad Jerusalem: From a religious capital to a religious town". In Marsham, Andrew (ed.). The Umayyad World. Routledge. pp. 398-401 (relevant section). ISBN 978-1-317-43005-6.
- This is why I suggest it could be summarized in the first line as a "religious structure" (for example). "Shrine" is still fine if not (e.g., Grabar 2006 uses that term). The rest of the article should elaborate, of course. The sources above can also help with expanding the article generally. R Prazeres (talk) 09:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- The issue with the word shrine is that in Islamic articles the word shrine stands for Shia shrines/mausoleums/tombs where people visit these shrines to get a blessing, which is not the case at all for the Dome of Rock, it should be called Islamic structure-mosque or Islamic monument-mosque since it’s functionally a mosque Prosnu (talk) 09:45, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- It is easy to find sources that say it is a mosque and easy to find sources that say it is not a mosque. What is less easy is to find authoritative sources that discuss the question. The fact that people pray there regularly is not proof that it's a mosque, and the fact that the mihrab is under the rock and not visible from the prayer area is not proof that it isn't a mosque. What we need is a good source. Zerotalk 06:52, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, the article still lacks many details. R Prazeres (talk) 06:28, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
I have three "guides" to the Al-Aqsa compound:
A. A Brief Guide to Al-Haram Al-Sharif, by the Supreme Moslem Council, 1925.
B. Guide to the Masjid al-Aqsa, by the Dean of the Center for Heritage and Islamic Research, 2005.
C. A Guide to Al-Aqsa Mosque, by the Hashemite Fund for Building and Maintenance of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, the Department of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs, Jerusalem, and PASSIA, 2015 and 2022 editions.
Neither A nor B refer to the Dome of the Rock as a mosque and this is especially clear in B which has 8 pages on it. Guide A calls it a "shrine" at one point. However, Guide C uses "Dome of the Rock Mosque" repeatedly. I strongly suspect that a decision was made to start calling it a mosque when it wasn't before, but I can't prove it. Zerotalk 05:06, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
- @R Prazeres@Zero0000 and a simple search will show you in Arabic that it's always mentioned as a mosque in most Arabic sources, if there is no difference between a mosque and a shrine then why use the word mosque from the start? and not call all Islamic prayer places, shrines?
- Even in English literature there is a difference between a mosque and Shia shrine which is usually inside a Shia mosque Prosnu (talk) 20:28, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
- In English the word "shrine" is frequently used for Sunni structures as well as for Shia structures. More generally, the word is not even limited to Islamic structures. Zerotalk 07:48, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- (I could be mistaken but I believe that) al-Muqaddasī, al-Harawī, and Mujīr al-Dīn are three examples of medieval Arabic writers who described the Dome of the Rock without calling it a mosque, even though they referred to many other buildings as mosques. So far I have not seen evidence to refute the suggestion that calling it a mosque is a modern idea. Zerotalk 09:05, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- al-Wasiti might be an exception but I don't have a good source. Zerotalk 09:40, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- In English the word "shrine" is frequently used for Sunni structures as well as for Shia structures. More generally, the word is not even limited to Islamic structures. Zerotalk 07:48, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Is it a shrine or a mosque?
[edit]Is the Dome considered a shrine or a mosque? What aspects about it make it a shrine? KashanAbbas (talk) 12:26, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
- it is definitely a mosque with a big prayer area and a Mihrab, some people like to push the idea that it was only built for the rock, it does commemorate the rock but it's still a mosque Prosnu (talk) 20:27, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
- There are dozens of domed structures and dozens of shrines on-site. The Dome of the Chain is another domed shrine, with a mihrab, and also not a mosque. Do you know this? Mihrab ≠ mosque. It just demarcates the qibla for prayer. You can have mihrabs outdoors in mosque courtyards. The Dome of the Rock is used for prayer, yes, but just as much as the courtyard can be when congregations to the site are large. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- yes but this is full functional mosque with carpets and everything, you can check it out from inside, you cannot compare it to the Dome of the Chain which a super small structure compared to it, a Kaaba can be considered a shrine (also you can pray in it) because it was built not for praying inside but to be part of a Mosque Prosnu (talk) 16:50, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- There are dozens of domed structures and dozens of shrines on-site. The Dome of the Chain is another domed shrine, with a mihrab, and also not a mosque. Do you know this? Mihrab ≠ mosque. It just demarcates the qibla for prayer. You can have mihrabs outdoors in mosque courtyards. The Dome of the Rock is used for prayer, yes, but just as much as the courtyard can be when congregations to the site are large. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:15, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Location detail
[edit]https://madainproject.com/dome_of_the_rock_platform places the dome of the rock on the upper platform of the Temple Mount. Can we add this detail to the end of the third para in the intro section. I know Madain Project is not RS right now, but it is usually correct when dealing with archaeological sites. MuhemedMuneeb (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
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