Talk:Brown cacholote
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sources
[edit]- open access
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/4163389 OR open access version: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/52203774#page/114/mode/1up - really useful article. will add
- https://bioone.org/journals/Journal-of-Field-Ornithology/volume-73/issue-2/0273-8570-73.2.213/Notes-on-new-or-rarely-reported-Shiny-Cowbird-hosts-from/10.1648/0273-8570-73.2.213.short - info on shiny cowbird egg removal
- https://www.scielo.org.ar/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0373-56802008000200017 - spanish only, on Psitticimex uritui in lophotes nests, see also Monk parakeet
- paywalled
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/4163612 - Botfly Ectoparasitism of the Brown Cacholote and the Firewood-Gatherer, probably don't need access since preview page says enough. Botfly larvae were found in nests and killed 5.5%(8 of 144) of the cacholote nestlings, preferring younger(<1week) nestlings.
monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
- ??? maybe description?? Record of beak malformation in Chestnut Cacholote ( Pseudoseisura lophotes ) in Córdoba, Argentina - https://nuestrasaves.avesargentinas.org.ar/home/article/view/1069
- for feeding:
- https://ri.conicet.gov.ar/handle/11336/30843, open access. info on insects found in nest(prey)
- monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
- for distribution:
- https://nuestrasaves.avesargentinas.org.ar/home/article/view/1024 - southernmost sighting of bird so far
- monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
GA review
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Nominator: Monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk · contribs) 21:56, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: Sophisticatedevening (talk · contribs) 03:58, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, I'll review this one shortly. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 03:58, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
Prose
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...is a jay-sized bird in the true ovenbird family. |
The term "jay-sized" doesn't really give a familiar reference to those unfamiliar with birds, consider something more blanket like "small" or "medium". Also "true ovenbird family" is confusing as it's not linked what that family is (using the common name also probably doesn't help). Consider something like "in the family Furnariidae". | |
which breeds in North America, is not a furnariid – rather it is a distantly related bird |
This feels like mild editorializing, the whole mention of it not being a furnariid is probably not necessary. Try to focus on what it is as opposed to what it is not. |
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and nestlings fledge at 19 days. |
What are nestlings and what does it mean when they "fledge"? |
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It was later moved into the genus Pseudoseisura by Miguel Lillo in 1902. |
Is it possible to go into detail as to why it was moved? Was there differing physical traits that made them need to be moved? The original paper where he moved them might be helpful to figure that out. | 164. Pseudosizura lophotes, Sinon.: Homorus lophotes (Bp.) Reichenb. In the thorny forests of the departments of Burro-yacu, Loyal and Barns.(machine translated) |
P. l. lophotes Reichenbach, 1853 — Nominate subspecies. |
What does "nominate subspecies" mean? Could this be rephrased or clarified? | |
Derryberry et al.'s 2011 study established a cladogram for Pseudoseisura |
Well a cladogram can already be made by anyone using the data of its placement (you did one right above it), "establishing a cladogram" doesn't really mean anything special, is this part necessary? | |
However, in 2024, it was recognized as a subspecies. |
The word "However" is a WP:WTW, consider rephrasing. | |
The brown cacholote is 24 to 26 cm |
--> It ranges, so perhaps "The brown cacholote ranges from 24 to 26 cm in..." | |
somewhat resembles that of a jay. |
This has extra words, saying resembles a jay would suffice. | |
| Entire description section | A lot of these words like "lore", "crest", "bill", "flanges", etc. would fall under MOS:TECHNICAL. I recommend assuming that your reader has zero prior knowledge to what a bird is, so at the end of each these it is helpful to add a paranthetical describing what it is. There's a bunch for an example at Parasitic ant#Species and characteristics of how that could work. | |
The nominate subspecies of the brown cacholote is found in southern Bolivia and western Paraguay. |
So I would call into relevance this and that entire section, it goes a bunch the distribution of the subspecies, but where does it actually talk about Pseudoseisura lophotes, the topic of the article? Maybe a short mention for it is fine, but it needs to go into the distribution of the species itself. |
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Unlike many other birds, nest-building occurs year-round, |
Remove the "Unlike many other birds", the article isn't about them and the comparison can come across as editorializing. | |
Old nests were often destroyed or reused as materials for new nests |
You say "were", do they not do this anymore? What's with the past tense? | |
...for a short period (42 days). |
Replace the "for a short period" with the actual day amount, it's redundant to include both unless it varies, in which case remove the "(42 days)" bit as it doesn't matter. Alternatively you can go into more detail saying that it ranges from however much, but 42 days is the average (Idk if it actually is, but that would be a good opportunity to explore it). | dormitory nests are occupied typically for only about 42 d before abandoned for a new onefrom BOW |
on average, be 2–3 ha (4.9–7.4 acres) |
It seems weird to include multiple measurements of the same unit, usually if you're gonna convert it would make more sense to use a different system (it's like going from inches to feet, where going to centimetres would make more sense.) | |
Nests are occasionally parasitized by the shiny cowbird, however adult cacholotes remove their eggs |
Rephrase it to remove "however", WP:WTW. | |
The brown cacholote is omnivorous, and has one of the largest diets of any ovenbird, feeding primarily on arthropods like beetles, centipedes, spiders, or ants, as well as the eggs of other birds, usually the domestic chicken. |
This is a pretty big run on sentence, this should be broken up into smaller and simpler statements. | |
Little is known about the causes of mortality in adults, |
Is this stated in a source or is this your statement that you couldn't find something that stated it? | Stated in BOW source, [...] Although much is known about the basic breeding biology, nothing is known about lifespan, natal dispersal, duration of pair-bond, or population density, and many other aspects of the species' biology |
First time breeders range between 1-3 years old |
What is ranging between that time? This is confusing. | |
It is considered uncommon to fairly common |
What is? The amount of times/frequency of it being spotted by birdwatchers? An organization? Who considers it that? | The global population size has not been quantified, but this species is described as 'fairly common' (Stotz et al. 1996).- https://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/brown-cacholote-pseudoseisura-lophotes |
as small as 1.5 ha (3.7 acres). |
Again with the weird unit choice, consider changing what unit it outputs/inputs. |
Spot checks
[edit]Based off of Special:permalink/1335313720:
- Ref 1: IUCN checks out, the #threats checks out,

- Ref 3: The original Homorus lophotes is listed,

- Ref 6: Checks out,

- Ref 10: I cannot find where it specifically says that P. l. argentina is recognized as a subspecies now.

- Ref 16: Checks out

- Ref 21: Ew, but checks out.

@Monkeysmashingkeyboards: Spot checks check out except for that one thing on ref 10. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 17:20, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
Done for source 10(clements), used the wrong source(relevant text is quoted) monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 17:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
Images/Copyright
[edit]- Earwig's returns 0%, search engine checking doesn't reveal any apparent copyvio.

- File:Pseudoseisura lophotes - Brown Cacholote.JPG - CC-by-SA 3.0, self work by commons:User:Hector Bottai.
- File:Pseudoseisura lophotes map.svg - CC-by-SA 4.0, self work by commons:User:Cephas.
Stability
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Comments
[edit]- Please note that this source is from WP:RGATE, a generally unfiltered repository that is usually unreliable. Please adjust this source to the actual journal article (if it is from one), or remove it altogether if it is not. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 04:02, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- IIRC that source is in a good journal, just since it's print only or smth else and researchgate is the only online version. ill look into it further tmrw, thanks for the ga review! monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 05:04, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
Done, removed that source monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- Looks good now, my concerns are addressed. Passing nom, -- Sophisticatedevening(talk) 21:14, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Viriditas (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
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- ... that a single brown cacholote's nest can weigh up to 5 kilograms?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: will add more alt hooks later, blanking right now
Improved to Good Article status by Monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2026 (UTC).
- Some alts:
- alt1: ... that brown cacholotes only sing in duets, mate for life, and equally share parental duties?
alt2: ... that brown cacholotes, despite the name, aren't edible? (bad hook)
- monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 21:58, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
- Some alts:
- just had a great idea for a valentines day hook(variation of alt1):
...that a brown cacholote, while not a good Valentine's day gift, mates for life, sings only in duets with their partner, and share parenting duties through out breeding season?
monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 17:15, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
- just had a great idea for a valentines day hook(variation of alt1):
Here we have a freshly promoted (and obviously sufficiently long) Good Article. I see no copyright or neutrality concerns, but I do see many instances of unintelligible sentences, most likely due to missing words. Sophisticatedevening appears not to have picked up on that. Examples are "The brown cacholote usually performs from the tops of trees fanned tails and open wings" and "its subspecies are allopatric occupy their own range". Can you please go over the article again, Monkeysmashingkeyboards? Sources are cited and they check out. I love ALT1. My brain first interpreted the name as "brown chocolates", which might also inspire a fun hook.
If only you had nominated this a few days earlier. It would have been so lovely on the Main Page today. It seems that we do not have a Valentine's Day set at all. Perhaps we can build one next year! I think I shall contribute with a hook about a queen abandoning her land and wealth to elope with the love of her life. Surtsicna (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I think I've fixed most of the unintelligible sentences, cheers! monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 18:35, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
I believe this is now good to go. Surtsicna (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2026 (UTC)