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Good articleBrown cacholote has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
January 28, 2026Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 20, 2026.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that brown cacholotes sing only in duets, mate for life, and share parental duties equally?

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monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

??? maybe description?? Record of beak malformation in Chestnut Cacholote ( Pseudoseisura lophotes ) in Córdoba, Argentina - https://nuestrasaves.avesargentinas.org.ar/home/article/view/1069
for feeding:
monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
for distribution:
monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


This review is transcluded from Talk:Brown cacholote/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk · contribs) 21:56, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Sophisticatedevening (talk · contribs) 03:58, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

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Article text Issue/suggestion Response
...is a jay-sized bird in the true ovenbird family. The term "jay-sized" doesn't really give a familiar reference to those unfamiliar with birds, consider something more blanket like "small" or "medium". Also "true ovenbird family" is confusing as it's not linked what that family is (using the common name also probably doesn't help). Consider something like "in the family Furnariidae".  Done monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
which breeds in North America, is not a furnariid – rather it is a distantly related bird This feels like mild editorializing, the whole mention of it not being a furnariid is probably not necessary. Try to focus on what it is as opposed to what it is not.  Not done this text was never in the article to begin with, don't know where it came from. (it might(?) be LLM, given the endash, but that's just a gut feeling) monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Actually whoops I had my tab open to another article, disregard this one. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 23:20, 27 January 2026 (UTC)<[reply]
and nestlings fledge at 19 days. What are nestlings and what does it mean when they "fledge"? Partly done wikilinked both, might not be adequate
Are you able to go more into detail about it prose-wise? I don't think just a wikilink is sufficient. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 17:57, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, discussiontools was being weird monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It was later moved into the genus Pseudoseisura by Miguel Lillo in 1902. Is it possible to go into detail as to why it was moved? Was there differing physical traits that made them need to be moved? The original paper where he moved them might be helpful to figure that out.  Not done not much there, all Lillo really says is 164. Pseudosizura lophotes, Sinon.: Homorus lophotes (Bp.) Reichenb. In the thorny forests of the departments of Burro-yacu, Loyal and Barns. (machine translated)
P. l. lophotes Reichenbach, 1853 — Nominate subspecies. What does "nominate subspecies" mean? Could this be rephrased or clarified? Partly done wikilinked
Derryberry et al.'s 2011 study established a cladogram for Pseudoseisura Well a cladogram can already be made by anyone using the data of its placement (you did one right above it), "establishing a cladogram" doesn't really mean anything special, is this part necessary?  Done reworded, i still feel like it's a good lead-in to the cladogram
However, in 2024, it was recognized as a subspecies. The word "However" is a WP:WTW, consider rephrasing.  Done
The brown cacholote is 24 to 26 cm --> It ranges, so perhaps "The brown cacholote ranges from 24 to 26 cm in..."  Done
somewhat resembles that of a jay. This has extra words, saying resembles a jay would suffice.  Done
Entire description section A lot of these words like "lore", "crest", "bill", "flanges", etc. would fall under MOS:TECHNICAL. I recommend assuming that your reader has zero prior knowledge to what a bird is, so at the end of each these it is helpful to add a paranthetical describing what it is. There's a bunch for an example at Parasitic ant#Species and characteristics of how that could work. Partly done I will do more tmrw  Done
The nominate subspecies of the brown cacholote is found in southern Bolivia and western Paraguay. So I would call into relevance this and that entire section, it goes a bunch the distribution of the subspecies, but where does it actually talk about Pseudoseisura lophotes, the topic of the article? Maybe a short mention for it is fine, but it needs to go into the distribution of the species itself.  Not done I think describing the range of the entire species is redundant, given that both subspecies(and in turn, the entire species)'s ranges in total is the same as the range for the entire species(as is for all birds). I trust the reader to put 2 and 2 together for this
@Monkeysmashingkeyboards: I actually wouldn't trust the leader tbh for MOS:JARGON, it's best to assume the reader is entirely unfamiliar with the subject, and fwiw I actually didn't piece this together (someone who edits frequently in biology). Sophisticatedevening(talk) 05:25, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, think the new description is adequate monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Unlike many other birds, nest-building occurs year-round, Remove the "Unlike many other birds", the article isn't about them and the comparison can come across as editorializing.  Done
Old nests were often destroyed or reused as materials for new nests You say "were", do they not do this anymore? What's with the past tense?  Done
...for a short period (42 days). Replace the "for a short period" with the actual day amount, it's redundant to include both unless it varies, in which case remove the "(42 days)" bit as it doesn't matter. Alternatively you can go into more detail saying that it ranges from however much, but 42 days is the average (Idk if it actually is, but that would be a good opportunity to explore it).  Done, dormitory nests are occupied typically for only about 42 d before abandoned for a new one from BOW
on average, be 2–3 ha (4.9–7.4 acres) It seems weird to include multiple measurements of the same unit, usually if you're gonna convert it would make more sense to use a different system (it's like going from inches to feet, where going to centimetres would make more sense.) Partly done hectares is metric, so I'm not really sure what to address here. Wikilinked hectare, though as always being the precocious monkey i am it's metric superiority all the way from here, babYYY
Nests are occasionally parasitized by the shiny cowbird, however adult cacholotes remove their eggs Rephrase it to remove "however", WP:WTW.  Done
The brown cacholote is omnivorous, and has one of the largest diets of any ovenbird, feeding primarily on arthropods like beetles, centipedes, spiders, or ants, as well as the eggs of other birds, usually the domestic chicken. This is a pretty big run on sentence, this should be broken up into smaller and simpler statements.  Done
Little is known about the causes of mortality in adults, Is this stated in a source or is this your statement that you couldn't find something that stated it? Stated in BOW source, [...] Although much is known about the basic breeding biology, nothing is known about lifespan, natal dispersal, duration of pair-bond, or population density, and many other aspects of the species' biology
First time breeders range between 1-3 years old What is ranging between that time? This is confusing.  Done reworded to make it clearer
It is considered uncommon to fairly common What is? The amount of times/frequency of it being spotted by birdwatchers? An organization? Who considers it that?  Done, The global population size has not been quantified, but this species is described as 'fairly common' (Stotz et al. 1996). - https://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/brown-cacholote-pseudoseisura-lophotes
as small as 1.5 ha (3.7 acres). Again with the weird unit choice, consider changing what unit it outputs/inputs. Partly done see above

Spot checks

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Based off of Special:permalink/1335313720:

  • Ref 1: IUCN checks out, the #threats checks out, checkY
  • Ref 3: The original Homorus lophotes is listed, checkY
  • Ref 6: Checks out, checkY
  • Ref 10: I cannot find where it specifically says that P. l. argentina is recognized as a subspecies now.
  • Ref 16: Checks out checkY
  • Ref 21: Ew, but checks out. checkY

@Monkeysmashingkeyboards: Spot checks check out except for that one thing on ref 10. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 17:20, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

 Done for source 10(clements), used the wrong source(relevant text is quoted) monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 17:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Images/Copyright

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Stability

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  • No recent edit warring - checkY

Comments

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Viriditas (talk23:40, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: will add more alt hooks later, blanking right now
Improved to Good Article status by Monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

monkeysmashingkeyboards (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2026 (UTC).[reply]

Here we have a freshly promoted (and obviously sufficiently long) Good Article. I see no copyright or neutrality concerns, but I do see many instances of unintelligible sentences, most likely due to missing words. Sophisticatedevening appears not to have picked up on that. Examples are "The brown cacholote usually performs from the tops of trees fanned tails and open wings" and "its subspecies are allopatric occupy their own range". Can you please go over the article again, Monkeysmashingkeyboards? Sources are cited and they check out. I love ALT1. My brain first interpreted the name as "brown chocolates", which might also inspire a fun hook.
If only you had nominated this a few days earlier. It would have been so lovely on the Main Page today. It seems that we do not have a Valentine's Day set at all. Perhaps we can build one next year! I think I shall contribute with a hook about a queen abandoning her land and wealth to elope with the love of her life. Surtsicna (talk) 13:41, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this is now good to go. Surtsicna (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]