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All the evidence is that Black supremacy barely exists outside of a small amount of offensive rhetoric, which is usually reactive, rather than active. So the question as to whether the white/black variant is more offensive is fairly academic. Is a woman raping a man as offensive as the other way round? Outside instances of statutory rape (an adult woman with a legally child male), it hardly ever happens. You need to hold the power for supremacism to be more than offensive talk. Pincrete (talk) 05:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is true, black supremacism is less documented but even taking that into account its dishonest to include a unique section dedicated to mentioning MLK jr opposed it when it's completely irrelevant and seems to be distancing from the topic in a way not mirrored in the "White Supremacy" article. Aertt (talk) 04:10, 26 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't add the MLK quote and think it is largely irrelevant, it says nothing about the nature of BlSup, but more about MLK's 'feud' with more radical black groups in the 1960's . MLK was far too intelligent to not realise that however theoretically offensive and dangerous black supremacist doctrine and rhetoric might be, it was white supremacists that had been holding the power which had obstructed black civil rights. I don't see its inclusion here as dishonest however, simply irrelevant to the topic. Militant groups in the 60's distracted from MLK's 'mainstream' civil rights campaign AFA he was concerned and he sought to distance himself from them. Pincrete (talk) 06:23, 26 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's irrelevancy is the objective reality of it. I was just saying that I think the inclusion of such an irrelevant section seems to intentionally push a "kind-of" "this is super fringe" idea, and is dishonest because if that notion is intended to be indicated, it should be directly stated and supported in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Aertt (talk) 06:54, 26 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Black supremacy falls under 'discrimination'; end of story.
I've just re-added the discrimination sidebar template to the article, and I've looked through the edit history to see that certain editors have, in the past, removed both the discrimination template at the end of the article as well as the discrimination sidebar template.
Whether or not editors believe that Black supremacy falls under 'racism' or not doesn't matter. The purpose of sidebar templates is to highlight that articles are part of a series and to allow for easy navigation between related topics. If Wikipedia and its editors have decided that the sidebar includes Black supremacy, then the Black supremacy article will include the sidebar template.
I've looked through numerous "supremacy" articles, including Supremacism, Aryanism, Autistic supremacism, White supremacy and they have the discrimination sidebar as well. What concerns me the most is that there was little to no justification offered by the editors in their removal of the template, and the arguments that were given were largely irrelevant to whether or not the template should be included in the first place.
If we add the discrimination sidebar or footer here, we need reliable sources stating that "Black supremacy" is a sort of discrimination. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:48, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
