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I added an image, a painting of Matthew inspired by an Angel, by Rembrandt. This painting reflects the historical tradition, so important to the Augustinian Hypothesis, at work in Renaissance art.

Requested move 9 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved no consensus (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 11:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Augustinian hypothesis → Augustine hypothesis – "Augustinian" refers to the religious order, and "Augustine" is the preferred Wikipedia term Elizium23 (talk) 02:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Augustinian" does indeed refer to an order, but it is also the standard adjectival form of Augustine's name, as given in Merriam–Webster, American Heritage, Oxford, and Collins. Oppose for the same reason Shakespearean tragedy is not called "Shakespeare tragedy", the Victorian era is not called the "Victoria era", and Davidic line is not called "David line". "Augustine hypothesis" sounds like a hypothesis about Augustine, or else perhaps a hypothesis proposed by Augustus. What is your basis for saying "and 'Augustine' is the preferred Wikipedia term"? — the Man in Question (in question) 03:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

the citation in which iraenus talks about papias

This reddit thread actually sums up pretty well my confusion after reading https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103533.htm, which doesn't mention how Papias is "of primitive times" or whatever.

I'm not sure if it's a translation problem or if Eusebius was just working with a different textual variant than us.

The solution should probably be noted in a footnote.

In any case, here's another tidbit from the thread:

Heres Bart Ehrmans translation of Against Heresies 5.33.4
Papias as well, an ancient man—the one who heard John and was a companion of Polycarp—gives a written account of these things in the fourth of his books. For he wrote five books. And in addition he says: 5 “These things can be believed by those who believe. And the betrayer Judas,” he said, “did not believe, but asked, ‘How then can the Lord bring forth such produce?’ The Lord then replied, ‘Those who come into those times will see.'”
Source: Ehrman, Bart D., ed. The Apostolic Fathers. Vol. 2. 2 vols. Loeb Classical Library 25. Harvard University Press, 2003. 93-94

(Is it possible that Ehrman is translating the text that appears in Eusebius's book? I haven't read the source.) Dingolover6969 (talk) 04:51, 6 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]