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Oppose: The current naming convention is clear and logical. Adding 'language' is unnecessary when it's obvious. Waqar💬15:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The dialects "cannot" be descended from Classical Arabic?
Someone has added to the "Classification" section that the Arabic dialects "do not descend from Classical Arabic". We should not be saying this in Wikipedia voice as it is simply a theory held by some and does not represent a broadly held consensus, not to mention the fact that it directly contradicts the rest of the article which assumes that the dialects are in fact descended from Classical Arabic, or at least a vernacular register of Classical Arabic. I think that if we want to present this viewpoint it should be mentioned that this is one theory of the origin of the dialects and not the majority view. Vivelapucelle (talk) 18:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This statement is based on a number of sources, including a secondary source, Birnstiel (2019), who writes: "Traditionally, Classical Arabic has been regarded as more or less identical with the ancestor of all varieties of Arabic, ancient and modern, and thus as nearly identical to Proto-Arabic (Fischer 1997: 187–8). However, many varieties of Arabic both ancient and modern preserve features lost in Classical Arabic and present a state corresponding more closely to what is found in other Semitic languages (Al-Jallad 2018b, Huehnergard 2017, Pat-El 2017). This shows that these varieties of Arabic cannot have developed from Classical Arabic." We might add something about the "traditionally" held view, but in order to present it as unchanged communis opinio, we would need an equally modern source that we can cite with the same weight as the Routledge handbook. –Austronesier (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes, classic Arabic and Quran is mainly the dialect of Mecca and Medina (الحجاز/al-hijaz), there is other varieties, in the Arabic peninsula and Levant, and minorities in neighboring areas, but, I don't believe that the current dialects are directly descended from those dialects, but rather a mixture of Hejazi Arabic and the dialects of neighboring tribes. However, the influence of Hejazi Arabic is greater because people intended to speak the language of the Quran and The linguistic influence of the Quran has continued for centuries to this day Unlike other dialects, with a limited influence.. Anasazzouzigo (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article is referring to the languages that are recognized as official by the most countries, not to the most spoken languages. Day Creature (talk) 19:08, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sub-section "Status in the Arab world vis-à-vis other languages" starts "With the sole example of medieval linguist Abu Hayyan al-Gharnati..." Surely this is meant to say "the sole exception." Draqueeb (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Using “Many” here (in the sentence “Many cultural, religious, and political…” is a clear WP:WEASEL violation. Also, citation [96] (Eilers 1971) lacks a page number. “See for instance” fails WP:PAGE. If anyone has the exact page, please add it and adjust the wording. Otherwise, this should be removed.
The following section has several issues too ("De Prémare" borrowings), the reference is pasted directly into the prose and must be converted into a proper footnote. Words like “jazirah” are given Syriac or Aramaic origins as absolute facts, which violates WP:NPOV because etymological origins are scholarly theories and therefore require attribution to the author. The text also brings up the “Al-Jazeera” TV network and traces “lazaward” into European languages. This is a violation of WP:TRIVIA and WP:OFFTOPIC. The article is about Arabic, and this section scope covers vocabulary in Arabic, not European languages. Sourdaughing11 (talk) 22:29, 9 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Request withdrawn Ok, I initially didn't notice that this title is fine per WP:NCLANG, so I withdrew my request. --Karim talk to me :)..! 16:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article is referring to the languages that are recognized as official by the most countries, not to the most spoken languages. Day Creature (talk) 19:08, 12 October 2025 (UTC)